Hi folks, www.folklore.org has lots of juicy stories about early Mac development. In 1981 they were using Lisas for development (obviously). MacPaint development details: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=MacPaint_E… The following article explains that "Macintosh development in the early days (circa 1983-1985) was done using the Apple Lisa computer and its Lisa Workshop development environment." http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=3rd_Party_… I remember using (the interpreted) MacPascal in 1986. There weren't any Mac-hosted Pascal compiler environments that could fit into <=512Kb (128K Macs could support 256KBit DRAMs). I'm really wondering how easy it would be to convert MacPaint so that it can be compiled in, say, MPW Pascal / 68K. -cheers from julz @p