25 Nov
1999
25 Nov
'99
2:29 a.m.
However is seems that a lot of people just want to
have them operational
in their house, garage etc. If this cannot happen just let the machine got
to the shredder. This is exactly what I was told by local hobbyists I
approached to find help in saving an IBM 4381 mainframe.
Well I replied to the address you set up, but it seemed to have problems, so
perhaps my message didn't get through.
I worked at IBM when the 4381 was current, and I'd like to see one saved. Not
sure how much help I can be at this distance, since I mainly worked on PCs,
S/34s and S/36s. I did try and grab any technical info I could find (which was
very little since I worked in a marketing unit) and I will try and look things
up if I can find anything...
Now I have found at my university floor space, power
supply and internet
connection, but almost nobody seems interested in it. Only the LInux 370
community gave some feedback.
Well done. I'm all in favour. (Can I still remember how to use CMS...?)
Have I 'invested' on the wrong thing to save?
8-(
Your decision. If you think it's worth saving, save it. I think it's worth
saving, but I'm not sure there's much I can do to help (which makes it easier
for me to declare my support, I suppose). I will e-mail you privately...
I tried to save a 4341 around 10 years ago when I was still a student. There
wasn't a hope, though...
Philip.
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25 Nov
25 Nov
4:30 a.m.
Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
Connecting to other messages on the subject; we have managed to get a real truck
something long aprox. 25mt. that will haul everything in one load.
e.
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Well I replied to the address you set up, but it seemed to have problems, so
perhaps my message didn't get through.
I know, that day I had a 9 hour stop while the telco upgraded some local
routers.
I worked at IBM when the 4381 was current, and I'd
like to see one saved. Not
sure how much help I can be at this distance, since I mainly worked on PCs,
Mainly knowhow. The curren users are no longer capable of creating VM for a
different hardware configuration; none of us guys involved in the salvage
have been VM administrators, mainly CMS users...
Have I
'invested' on the wrong thing to save? 8-(
Your decision. If you think it's worth saving, save it. I think it's worth
saving, but I'm not sure there's much I can do to help (which makes it easier
for me to declare my support, I suppose). I will e-mail you privately... 
5:05 a.m.
Hi Enrico,
You may heartened to know to that the History Center has a complete,
runnable, IBM 4381 in its collection. It was in use up to time of donation
(last October) at the A. C. Delco plant in Rochester, NY.
The machine is on display and in excellent condition. All necessary
cabling, and I believe system software (we received about 100 reels of tape
we haven't read yet), a million punch cards (literally), and manuals formed
part of the donation.
Best,
Dag.
At 04:30 PM 11/25/99 +0100, you wrote:
saved.
Not
worth
truck
Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
>
>
> Well I replied to the address you set up, but it seemed to have
problems, so
perhaps my
message didn't get through.
I know, that day I had a 9 hour stop while the telco upgraded some local
routers.
> I worked at IBM when the 4381 was current, and I'd like to see one sure how much
help I can be at this distance, since I mainly worked on PCs,
Mainly knowhow. The curren users are no longer capable of creating VM for a
different hardware configuration; none of us guys involved in the salvage
have been VM administrators, mainly CMS users...
> > Have I 'invested' on the wrong thing to save? 8-(
>
> Your decision. If you think it's worth saving, save it. I think it's
> saving, but I'm not sure there's much I
can do to help (which makes it
easier
for me to
declare my support, I suppose). I will e-mail you privately...
Connecting to other messages on the subject; we have managed to get a real something long aprox. 25mt. that will haul everything
in one load.
e.
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8:57 p.m.
Dag Spicer wrote:
Hi Enrico,
You may heartened to know to that the History Center has a complete,
runnable, IBM 4381 in its collection. It was in use up to time of donation
(last October) at the A. C. Delco plant in Rochester, NY.
The machine is on display and in excellent condition. All necessary
cabling, and I believe system software (we received about 100 reels of tape
we haven't read yet), a million punch cards (literally), and manuals formed
part of the donation.
Is it running/runnable?
Have you investigated the legal aspects of running the original IBM software
on it? I received a mean letter from a guy, apparently not from IBM, saying
it was illegal to run the VM version the previous owner had installed.
Just now I saw thet you are the Editorial Board of the IEEE Annals. I love
it. Why don't you add a small section dedicate to hobbyist restoration
suggestions or ways to meet other guys/machines. I find it hard to
locate other persons with this hobby, at least in Italy
e.
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Enrico Badella email: enrico.badella(a)softstar.it
Soft*Star srl eb(a)vax.cnuce.cnr.it
InterNetworking Specialists tel: +39-011-746092
Via Camburzano 9 fax: +39-011-746487
10143 Torino, Italy
Wanted, for hobbyist use, any type of PDP and microVAX hardware,software,
manuals,schematics,etc. and DEC-10 docs or manuals
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26 Nov
26 Nov
4:28 a.m.
New subject: IBM Re: 4381
Upon the date 08:57 AM 11/26/99 +0100, Enrico Badella said something like:
Dag Spicer wrote:
This is something I'm interested in too Dag and Enrico. Whenever I get to
trying to bring up my IBM 9370 I think this may be a question I'd need to
address if I try to approach active IBM CE's who could answer my questions
if needed. I understand VSE is the OS on my machine. (Anybody got any VSE
OS manuals??)
Hi Enrico,
You may heartened to know to that the History Center has a complete,
runnable, IBM 4381 in its collection. It was in use up to time of donation
(last October) at the A. C. Delco plant in Rochester, NY.
The machine is on display and in excellent condition. All necessary
cabling, and I believe system software (we received about 100 reels of tape
we haven't read yet), a million punch cards (literally), and manuals formed
part of the donation.
Is it running/runnable?
Have you investigated the legal aspects of running the original IBM software
on it? I received a mean letter from a guy, apparently not from IBM, saying
it was illegal to run the VM version the previous owner had installed.
Just now I saw thet you are the Editorial Board of the IEEE Annals. I love
it. Why don't you add a small section dedicate to hobbyist restoration
suggestions or ways to meet other guys/machines. I find it hard to
locate other persons with this hobby, at least in Italy
Good point Enrico. It would be especially interesting if folks who would
not normally be connected with collectors/ClassicCmp/etc. could discuss or
offer email assistance, moral support to those of us who need it on certain
machines.
Incidentally, I'm pleased the AC Delco donated their 4381 to TCMHC. They're
sort of in my back yard (130 miles from me) and they went the extra mile
(no pun intended, really) to send it out to you.
Regards, Chris
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