11 Mar
2001
11 Mar
'01
1:47 p.m.
When I saw the message header, I thought that it referred to Carter Air
Force Base, and, looking at the +20K length, I was sure that someone had
discovered a long-forgotten warehouse stuffed full of classic Big Iron
from times gone by...
But, LOL! Carburetors!
OT: From my street-racing days: the Javelin was not a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
Cheers
John
11 Mar
11 Mar
2:22 p.m.
Was there a Carter AFB? After 20 yrs in the AF I'd heard of a lot of old
base names but I don't think Ive ever heard of a Carter.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson
=> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:47 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: Carter AFB.. he he!
=>
=>
=>
=> When I saw the message header, I thought that it referred to Carter Air
=> Force Base, and, looking at the +20K length, I was sure that someone had
=> discovered a long-forgotten warehouse stuffed full of classic Big Iron
=> from times gone by...
1:06 a.m.
New subject: AT&T 3B2/300 Unix 5 System Software available
Hi Gang,
I came across about 45 disks of AT&T Unix System 5 for the 3B2/300.
I don't have the machine but it looks like a nice place to play with K&R
C...
The first person who will agree to make copies for the next person needing
them can have the disk set for the cost of shipping...
Cheers
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
3:31 a.m.
New subject: AT&T 3B2/300 Unix 5 System Software available
The 3b2 disks have been claimed by George Currie <g(a)kurico.com> who has
said....
"If so, I'll take'em (and promise to supply any other needy souls)."
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
11 Mar
11 Mar
8:32 p.m.
OT: From my street-racing days: the Javelin was not
a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
Then you had the Corvair's with thier 2-4 single barrel
Webbers...nice but tempermental to keep working right.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
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12 Mar
12 Mar
1:24 a.m.
Well, in the pre-Nader days, or shortly after his rise to prominence, I had a
Corvair, and if my experience is any indication at all, they're not a major
source of trouble.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: Carter AFB.. he he!
OT: From my
street-racing days: the Javelin was not a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
Then you had the Corvair's with thier 2-4 single barrel
Webbers...nice but tempermental to keep working right.
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:45 a.m.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I owned a couple of Corvairs back in the sixties, but I don't recall
either being equipped with Weber carburetors. Bein a GM product,
Rochesters seem infinitely more likely.
- don
OT: From my
street-racing days: the Javelin was not a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
Then you had the Corvair's with thier 2-4 single barrel
Webbers...nice but tempermental to keep working right. Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
12:53 a.m.
At 10:47 PM 3/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
When I saw the message header, I thought that it referred to Carter Air
Force Base, and, looking at the +20K length, I was sure that someone had
discovered a long-forgotten warehouse stuffed full of classic Big Iron
from times gone by...
But, LOL! Carburetors!
OT: From my street-racing days: the Javelin was not a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
I'm also an ex-motor head. I used to run a Carter AFB on my 340 Plymouth
motor that I stuffed into a '52 MG TD. Wow! What a ride! But NOTHING beat
my 426 Hemi with dual AFBs that I had in my Plymouth Superbird! I've
slowed down a bit but I still have a '70 Dodge Challanger with a 440
Six-Pak sitting in the side yard.
Joe
10:50 a.m.
My neighbor has one of those, too, and he's had it so long he's built a special
shed for it. He's been working on the thing for abuot 15 years ... I wonder if
it's worth it.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Carter AFB.. he he!
Joe! Why is that car not sitting in your garage??
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Joe wrote:
but I still have a '70 Dodge Challanger with
a 440
Six-Pak sitting in the side yard.
Joe
11:44 a.m.
Sure its worth it, a sheds a real handy thing to have. Gives the spiders a
nice place to breed close to your house too.
My neighbor has one of those, too, and he's had it
so long he's built a
special
shed for it. He's been working on the thing for abuot 15 years ... I
wonder if
it's worth it.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Carter AFB.. he he!
> Joe! Why is that car not sitting in your garage??
>
> Chad Fernandez
> Michigan, USA
>
> Joe wrote:
> > but I still have a '70 Dodge Challanger with a 440
> > Six-Pak sitting in the side yard.
> >
> > Joe
>
>
18 Mar
18 Mar
1:11 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Joe wrote:
I'm also an ex-motor head. I used to run a
Carter AFB on my 340 Plymouth
motor that I stuffed into a '52 MG TD. Wow! What a ride! But NOTHING beat
Wow! ...and I thought that someone stuffing a Chevy 350 into a Chevy
Vega was an accomplishment!
my 426 Hemi with dual AFBs that I had in my Plymouth
Superbird! I've
slowed down a bit but I still have a '70 Dodge Challanger with a 440
Six-Pak sitting in the side yard.
Now I'm beginning to regret having my 351 Cleveland rebuilt instead of
sticking a 460 into my '72 Mercury Montego, which I'd like to modify
to haul a horse trailer with. The engine and C5 transmission can
handle it; I just need the bigger front disc brakes, extra
transmission & oil cooling, and suspension improvements. ...of
course, this all depends on whether or not the frame's still strong
enough, or can be modified to be strong enough; the rear swing-arm
suspension may be the weak spot. Anyone here know of any automotive
structural engineers for hire?
--
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rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 of Bart Simpson's words: "Don't have a cow,
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd man" will enjoy interesting life."
5:54 p.m.
Now I'm beginning to regret having my 351 Cleveland
rebuilt instead of
sticking a 460 into my '72 Mercury Montego, which I'd like to modify
to haul a horse trailer with. The engine and C5 transmission can
The 351C is about the last thing I would think of for hauling, its a low
torque high HP design. I used to get into trouble with my 73 mustang with a
351C and C6, it was a DOG off the line, but screamed above 30 mph or so.
What would happen is that racing someone I would get beaten bad at the
start, then just blow past them on the way to 60 mph. People thought I was
just messing with them, and expressed frequent displeasure.
12 Mar
12 Mar
3:06 a.m.
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, John Lawson wrote:
OT: From my street-racing days: the Javelin was not
a bad little ride,
properly set up, and I drove a few of them competitively. Holleys were
always my first carb choice, Carters being 'okay' jugs, and then there
Rochesters... yuck, poo!
Weber DCOEs were always my favorite, followed by Solex (just through
excess familiarity) and Keihin. Balancing 4 Keihins (one jug per barrel)
on a Honda S800 was actually fun. Unlike balancing Solex PDSITs, which
was almost always due to user tampering.
FSOT: Holley made a twin choke progressive downdraft that was a licensed
Weber design. I have an unused one in box with manifold adapter for
1200cc Honda Civic ('73 - '74 and non-CA - '79?)
The original post did NOT provide enough information to confirm that the
problem is carburetor! His symptoms could come from MANY other causes,
such as old spark plug wires that are susceptible to dampness.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred
7:18 a.m.
This is the only computer list I can think of where arguing about a
carburator problem posted by a virus is perfectly normal. We are special.
4:42 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
This is the only computer list I can think of where
arguing about a
carburator problem posted by a virus is perfectly normal. We are special.
To get this back on topic, while looking at Holly's web site for cam
specifications, although I didn't see a cam that I wanted---decided to
put the same type of Crower cam back in (but I do like my Holley 750
carburator with the new type of power valve that doesn't get destroyed
by a backfire! ...although the old 750 double-pumper that I had years
ago seemed to give me more low-end power, and a 351C with 4V heads
(can you say "huge ports"?) does needs a little help in that area.
Found a new pair of Hooker headers there too!), I did notice something
on their web site that was related to this list: engine control
computers. Aren't there some engine control computers by now that are
about 10 years old? Is anyone collecting the cars that have them in
them and preserving them? :-)
The disturbing thing though, was that Holley only mentions software
being available for Microsoft Windoze which is used to modify their
engine control systems. E.g., hook a laptop computer running Windoze
to the computer in the car, via a serial port, and make adjustments
via Holley's software on the Windoze PeeCee. Bletch! I wonder how
many engines will detonate to death as a result of the timing being
set to advance too much or how many people will end up stranded
somewhere, etc. due to strance things that Windoze causes to happen
to the software download?
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis Ancient guru who see future once say:
All Rights Reserved "wise man who meditate upon immortal wisdom
rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 of Bart Simpson's words: "Don't have a cow,
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd man" will enjoy interesting life."
13 Mar
13 Mar
3:44 a.m.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
> This is the only computer list I can think of where arguing about a
> carburator problem posted by a virus is perfectly normal. We are
[insert your
opinion here]
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
computers. Aren't there some engine control
computers by now that are
about 10 years old?
FSOT: Bosch fuel injection ""computer"" from 1969 VW type III
(squareback). working when removed; with some (not necessarily all) FI
components and sensors
Over 30 years old, and called a computer.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
6:25 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
The D-jetronic system on my old 2.0L 914's had an analog computer,
actually. I still have a spare somewhere. I opened one up one time
and it was pretty much all discrete components- transistors in op-amp
circuits, etc. The biggest problem with these systems were various sensors
(the manifold pressure sensor mainly), trigger contacts in the distributor,
etc. failing. None of these parts were cheap from Bosch or the Porsche dealer,
either. A lot of people just ripped all that out and installed dual 48IDA's,
but when it was running right, the multiport injection made just as much if
not more power, and you could get close to 40 mpg. cruising at 90-100 on the
interstate.
Automobile Atlanta in Marietta GA stills sells this stuff. They have whole
cars even. I always squeal like a stuck pig at George's prices, but
they're actually pretty reasonable, considering the amount of storage
he's got in them by now.
To take this back off topic, when are we likely to see a niche market for
restoring old computers, "hot-rodding" them, etc. on a commercial
level? Or will we ever? I know nobody here wants to have anything to do
with dealers, forking out the loot, etc. but if you're looking for old car
parts, they are usually pretty easy to find if they exist. And if not,
someone will make them if there's enough interest. That *could* be a problem
with IC's and PCB's, but most of the rest of the components of old
machines could be easily reproduced in a modest shop.
jbdigriz
On Mon, 12 Mar
2001, Mike Ford wrote:
> This is the only computer list I can think of where arguing about a
> carburator problem posted by a virus is perfectly normal. We are
[insert
your opinion here]
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
computers. Aren't there some engine control
computers by now that are
about 10 years old?
FSOT: Bosch fuel injection ""computer"" from 1969 VW type III
(squareback). working when removed; with some (not necessarily all) FI
components and sensors
Over 30 years old, and called a computer.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
6 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, James B. DiGriz wrote:
To take this back off topic, when are we likely to see
a niche market
for restoring old computers, "hot-rodding" them, etc. on a commercial
level? Or will we ever? I know nobody here wants to have anything to
do with dealers, forking out the loot, etc. but if you're looking for
old car parts, they are usually pretty easy to find if they exist. And
if not, someone will make them if there's enough interest. That
*could* be a problem with IC's and PCB's, but most of the rest of the
components of old machines could be easily reproduced in a modest
shop.
It won't happen, at least not amongst "normal" people (I guess which means
it may happen for persons on the ClassicCmp list).
You can drive an old car really fast (perhaps even faster than more modern
cars). Old computers are slow-assed beasts.
Sure you'll pull them out from time to time to play classic old games, but
I don't know that you'd necessarily be hot-rodding them, unless of course
you'd be boosting their abilities for better graphics, sound, nice
joysticks, bigger displays, etc.
Ok, so I backtrack. Someday we very well may be hot-rodding old computers
to have that bigger/better/badder gaming experience that we missed in our
younger days due to lack of money or whatnot :)
Another stream-of-conciousness post from yours truly.
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