23 Sep
2015
23 Sep
'15
5:44 p.m.
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site: http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
23 Sep
23 Sep
5:47 p.m.
Many years ago we used them as Data Entry machines, but I have no documents and have
forgotten everything I knew.
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Sent: 23 September 2015 22:45
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Subject: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model (a
badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take some
detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up (it's very,
very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit pictured on this site:
http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
5:56 p.m.
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines! Please take lots of pics of
the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards of a Honeywell
machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style" looks like.
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Many years ago we used them as Data Entry machines,
but I have no
documents and have forgotten everything I knew.
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Dersch
Sent: 23 September 2015 22:45
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this
model
(a
badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index
No. B01732"). I can take
some
detailed pictures later this week after I've
had time to clean it up
(it's very,
very dirty), but it looks very similar to the
DPS-6 unit pictured on
this site:
http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What
have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
24 Sep
24 Sep
3:10 a.m.
On 9/23/15 2:56 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines! Please
take lots of pics of
the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards of a Honeywell
machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style" looks like.
Best,
Sean
Will do. I took the boards out to inspect them tonight (they had
rattled about a bit during shipment) and everything seems ok. I'll have
time to take some pictures this weekend. Unfortunately, somewhere along
the line someone disconnected nearly all the ribbon cables running to
the boards and I've got no idea what goes where (only a couple are
cohesively labeled.) This thing is going to be a project.
- Josh
5:20 a.m.
The DPS6 is a very different animal to the GE600 -> GE6000 > Level 66 => DPS300
which were as far as I know all TTL or LSI TTL....
... The CPU was built on wire wrap boards which were around 14" or 16" square
(say 35cm) and which slotted into a backplane.
.. the machines had an extensive test suite which the CE ran weekly. This could vary the
voltages to the logic chips....
.. when a faulty board was found they were usually repaired on-site, there was a board
tester shipped with each system to identify chip level faults.
.. this contrasts with the earlier H3200 we had which was fixed by board level repair..
The CPU and Memory were in separate cabinets, much like the 360/67 but Honeywell kept the
same layout when moving from core (I think the GE6000/H6000 were core) on to D-Ram in the
L66.
The CPU number and I think the RAM start addresses were all configured on switchs, so it
was possible to split a Dual CPU machine into two singles for testing.
The peripherals came from MPI a joint venture with CDC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Data_Corporation#Magnetic_Peripherals….
There are more ramblings, (not from me) here:-
http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/english/gecos_to_gcos8_part_2.htm
The GCOS-3 Control Cards and Abort Codes Pocket Guide DD04 Rev.0 is sat on my desk in the
scanning queue...
Dave
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Subject: Re: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?
On 9/23/15 2:56 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines!
Please take lots of
pics of the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards
of a Honeywell machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style"
looks like.
Best,
Sean
Will do. I took the boards out to inspect them tonight (they had rattled about
a bit during shipment) and everything seems ok. I'll have time to take some
pictures this weekend. Unfortunately, somewhere along the line someone
disconnected nearly all the ribbon cables running to the boards and I've got
no idea what goes where (only a couple are cohesively labeled.) This thing is
going to be a project.
- Josh
25 Sep
25 Sep
1:23 a.m.
On 9/23/15 2:56 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines! Please
take lots of pics of
the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards of a Honeywell
machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style" looks like.
Best,
Sean
I put a few pictures up here:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/dps6/
Nice bitslice processor in there, an Ethernet controller, some memory
(looks like 2MB) and as for the other boards, I'm not yet sure...)
- Josh
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Many years ago we used them as Data Entry machines, but I have no
> documents and have forgotten everything I knew.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Josh
>> Dersch
>> Sent: 23 September 2015 22:45
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> Subject: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?
>>
>> Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
>> workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this
> model (a
>> badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
> some
>> detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
> (it's very,
>> very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit pictured on
> this site:
>> http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
>>
>> Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What
> have
>> I gotten myself into with this thing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
>
3:50 p.m.
Very nice, thank you! That DPS-6 page wasn't kidding when they said the
boards were on the large side! Very interesting; they definitely have their
own unique style about them ... they really liked to use daugherboards!
That memory expansion card is sort of unusual. As is the edge connector for
the bus.
Best,
Sean
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/23/15 2:56 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Ah, so these are the vintagetech.com machines!
Please take lots of pics
of
the DPS-8 inside and out; I've never really seen the innards of a
Honeywell
machine before and I'm kind of curious what their "style" looks like.
Best,
Sean
I put a few pictures up here:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/dps6/
Nice bitslice processor in there, an Ethernet controller, some memory
(looks like 2MB) and as for the other boards, I'm not yet sure...)
- Josh
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Many years ago we used them as Data Entry machines, but I have no
> documents and have forgotten everything I knew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Josh
>> Dersch
>> Sent: 23 September 2015 22:45
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> Subject: Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside info?
>>
>> Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
>> workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this
>>
> model (a
>
>> badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
>>
> some
>
>> detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
>>
> (it's very,
>
>> very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit pictured on
>>
> this site:
>
>> http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
>>
>> Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What
>>
> have
>
>> I gotten myself into with this thing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
>>
>
>
26 Sep
26 Sep
12:09 a.m.
On 9/25/15 12:50 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
Very nice, thank you!
No problem at all!
That DPS-6 page wasn't kidding when they said the
boards were on the large side! Very interesting; they definitely have their
own unique style about them ... they really liked to use daugherboards!
That memory expansion card is sort of unusual. As is the edge connector for
the bus.
Yeah, the boards are similar in dimension to DG Nova stuff or Sun VME,
and they crammed a lot of stuff on them with all of the daughterboards
-- it looks like the Ethernet board could hold up to four interfaces...
Unfortunately, I've now had time to trace down all of the cabling and
there are no storage controllers (disk, tape, and floppy) present so
this thing is likely to remain a very large boat anchor for the
foreseeable future. (Not that I'm likely to find media either :)).
- Josh
23 Sep
23 Sep
9:06 p.m.
Sam Ismail used to have a DPS-6, if not more than one, but I don't think he was ever
able to do anything with it. Does it have GCOS-6 installed?
I worked on DPS-8's and GCOS-8 a lifetime ago. I did a little with GCOS-6, mainly
assisting with moving operations from DPS-6 Mini's over to HP 9000 workstations
running DPS-6 emulators.
I never had any GCOS-6 doc's and my GCOS-8 doc's were sent North a couple years
ago.
Zane
On Sep 23, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull
DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site: http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
10:42 p.m.
On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a Honeywell/Bull
DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site: http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
browse here and elsewhere for WWMMCCS history and beginnings of
GCOS/DPS-6/Honeywell 6000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Military_Command_and_Control_System
One legend that gets trotted out whenever you speak of WWMMCCS is the
cookie monster that was on terminals in the Pentagon installation of
WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random intervals, the console would go
blank, operators would loose control and a message would display
something to the effect "cookie monster hungry - feed me". Supposedly
once you typed in one of several cookie names, the routine would release
the system back to the operator. I personally know a retired AF IT
manager who worked WWMMCCS and swears its a true story...
Suspect you will find very little material other than what Al has - it
wasn't a particularly common installed setup.
Steve
11 p.m.
On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:42 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
DPS-8's, not 6's, and I for one don't believe that legend.
Zane
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a
Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site: http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
browse here and elsewhere for WWMMCCS history and beginnings of
GCOS/DPS-6/Honeywell 6000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Military_Command_and_Control_System
One legend that gets trotted out whenever you speak of WWMMCCS is the cookie monster that
was on terminals in the Pentagon installation of WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random
intervals, the console would go blank, operators would loose control and a message would
display something to the effect "cookie monster hungry - feed me". Supposedly
once you typed in one of several cookie names, the routine would release the system back
to the operator. I personally know a retired AF IT manager who worked WWMMCCS and swears
its a true story...
Suspect you will find very little material other than what Al has - it wasn't a
particularly common installed setup.
Steve
11:03 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 2015, at 7:42 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
I don't know about the legend, but the cookie program originated on the
DPS-8: http://www.multicians.org/cookie.html
-- Charles
One legend that gets trotted out whenever you
speak of WWMMCCS is the
cookie monster that was on terminals in the Pentagon
installation of
WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random intervals, the console would go
blank, operators would loose control and a message would display something
to the effect "cookie monster hungry - feed me". Supposedly once you
typed in one of several cookie names, the routine would release the system
back to the operator. I personally know a retired AF IT manager who
worked WWMMCCS and swears its a true story...
Suspect you will find very little material other than what Al has - it
wasn't
a particularly common installed setup.
Steve
DPS-8's, not 6's, and I for one don't believe that legend.
24 Sep
24 Sep
12:54 p.m.
I think this anecdote is also referenced in the AFDC installation site
story on multicians.org? Sounds familiar...
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:42 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a
Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this
model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site:
http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
browse here and elsewhere for WWMMCCS history and beginnings of
GCOS/DPS-6/Honeywell 6000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Military_Command_and_Control_System
One legend that gets trotted out whenever you speak of WWMMCCS is the
cookie monster that was on terminals in the Pentagon installation of
WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random intervals, the console would go
blank, operators would loose control and a message would display something
to the effect "cookie monster hungry - feed me". Supposedly once you
typed in one of several cookie names, the routine would release the system
back to the operator. I personally know a retired AF IT manager who
worked WWMMCCS and swears its a true story...
Suspect you will find very little material other than what Al has - it
wasn't a particularly common installed setup.
Steve
6:05 p.m.
On 9/24/2015 9:54 AM, Sean Caron wrote:
I think this anecdote is also referenced in the AFDC
installation site
story on multicians.org? Sounds familiar...
Best,
Sean
Cookie monster originated on Multics, and was taken to the GCOS
environment if it got there in the same incarnation.
We had graduated to far better toys when Cookie monster showed up at the
USL (Lafayette, La) Multics installation. We had a modified version of
the timeshare send message command that was modified to be "send
command" Once you had it so that it was stealth installed on a users
account whenever they were on you could make their terminals do things
spontaneously.
Very entertaining. Cookie Monster was objectionable to me in that the
joke cause you to have to log out and destroyed your session, which I
didn't find as amusing as if it did the cookie trick and something more
clever.
I also had remote execution and logging in a startrek basic program that
took over the installation, but took it back out since the above send
command had run its course. But it did provide an education to a couple
of SysAdmin types who thought they were clever and had never heard of
trojans. Done to them by the local Honeywell Site SA.
thanks
Jim
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:42 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
On 9/23/2015 2:44 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Along with the 11/44 I also picked up a
Honeywell/Bull DPS-6 deskside
workstation; I can't seem to dig up much information specific to this
model
(a badge on the rear labels it as "Model/Index No. B01732"). I can take
some detailed pictures later this week after I've had time to clean it up
(it's very, very dirty), but it looks very similar to the DPS-6 unit
pictured on this site:
http://www.feb-patrimoine.com/projet/gcos6/gcos6.htm
Anyone have any docs on this thing? Or fun anecdotes to share? What have
I gotten myself into with this thing?
Thanks,
Josh
browse here and elsewhere for WWMMCCS history and beginnings of
GCOS/DPS-6/Honeywell 6000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Military_Command_and_Control_System
One legend that gets trotted out whenever you speak of WWMMCCS is the
cookie monster that was on terminals in the Pentagon installation of
WWMMCCS. As the legend goes, at random intervals, the console would go
blank, operators would loose control and a message would display something
to the effect "cookie monster hungry - feed me". Supposedly once you
typed in one of several cookie names, the routine would release the system
back to the operator. I personally know a retired AF IT manager who
worked WWMMCCS and swears its a true story...
Suspect you will find very little material other than what Al has - it
wasn't a particularly common installed setup.
Steve
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