Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Sunday 13
May 2007 06:28, Rod Smallwood wrote:
Hi All
Now for my dilemma. Before checking the cost of a KDJ11-EB you are
advised to make sure pacemaker batteries are fully charged and any
blood pressue medication has been taken. Take it from me the prices
are so high they need to join the astronaut corps!
..which is probably why your systems were missing the CPU boards when yo
got them...
I would like to get at least one of these historic
systems running
again. Suggestions please!!
It'd be a lot less expensive to turn it into an 11/84, the CPU for that
(some models of KDJ11-B) should be much less expensive, then just add
memory. :)
Jerome Fine replies:
Your suggestion might not be possible. I once had the
box and boards for an 11/94. I really can't remember,
but there might not have been any slots for the memory.
In any case, I am extremely curious. What goal(s) will
you achieve? Do you want to run software faster? Is
your only goal to have the fastest PDP-11 that DEC ever
produced? Note that a number of other companies produced
much faster PDP-11 CPU boards. Note that I very much
appreciate that from a hardware point of view your goal is
extremely gratifying - probably even more than my software
goals. I am just curious what your goals are.
One of my goals when I run using PDP-11 software is to
run as fast as possible. At present I run at about
15 times a PDP-11/93. Very shortly, I hope to be
upgrading my hardware and be able to run at 100 times
a PDP-11/93 along with the availability of having an
extra GigaByte of spare memory for data that may also
allow a co-processor to perform CPU intensive calculations.
About 20 years ago, I was using a PDP-11/23+ on a
system with 4 MB of memory which included a co-processor
that used the same memory as the PDP-11/23+.
Any finally, although my experience is with an 11/93 on
the Qbus, I found that there is very little difference
between an 11/93 and an 11/83 as far as CPU speed is
concerned. That would also be likely to apply to the
difference between an 11/94 and an 11/84. Basically,
I suggest that the only difference in speed is due to
the clock rate of 20 MHz on the 11/93 board and the
18 MHz clock rate (or crystal if you prefer) on the
11/83 board. Otherwise, the PMI memory on the 11/83
is probably about as fast as the on board memory on
the 11/93.
As for the actual CPU, almost all M8190 quad CPU boards
or KDJ11-Bx (maybe all) allow the use of PMI memory
which is the primary reason the 11/83 is faster than
the 11/73. The other reason is the 18 MHz clock rate
on the 11/83 as opposed to the 15 MHz clock rate on the
11/73. So if anyone has a M8190 CPU with non-PMI memory
and can find some PMI memory, then as long as there
are ABCD slots available for all of the memory and CPU
boards, the system will run much faster with PMI memory.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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