2 Jul
2003
2 Jul
'03
6:44 a.m.
It is an interesting batch of sales. If you look at their other listings
there is an Intel iPSC, a MASPAR and what I think is an IBM 5100 listed with the a
strange title "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" listed in "antiques."
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=2…
I, too, am inclined that the seller has a problem with decimals. I think they
are very unfamiliar with eBay, having just registered. The ads are in the
wrong categories. The descriptions are not what would sell a piece of equipment.
Also seller in Japan, listed on the Australian eBay site with shipping in
misquoted US Dollars. I suspect a Newbie or possibly fraudulent (low probability
but worth being very careful)
Does anyone recognize the pictures as being from somewhere else on the WEB.
Many Japanese are collectors so it could be an original collection. The high
valuations lead me to think it might be a collector.
If you search their completed sales they are all collectable baseball cards.
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&am…
userid=extremejordanfanno1&include=0&since=30&sort=2&rows=100
They brought good money too. The Ford Typewriter is also getting good bids at
a price that indicate the decimal places are not misplaced.
I suspect a Japanese collector that is a newbie to eBay, and needs to raise
money.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
Who wishes he had an iPSC......
2 Jul
2 Jul
7:19 a.m.
New subject: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" was Re: I thought the Univac was expensive
Hello Paxton,
I don't know what it is like these days, but back in the 90's the US
dollar wasn't worth much in exchange against the Yen. Some of the
courses the company I was working for were being conducted on
one of the US Naval Bases in Japan. Mine wasn't, so I never went,
but some of the other instructors told me what it was like to try to
go out on the local economy. Something like a hamburger being
$35.00 and such. I don't think they were BS'ing me about that either.
If you wanted to make it over there on the per diem amount allowed,
you had to stay on base. That still doesn't fully explain the listing
prices, but it might be a factor. Those items are showing in Tokyo,
Japan.
Best Regards
At 02:40 PM 7/2/03 -0400, you wrote:
It is an interesting batch of sales. If you look at
their other listings
there is an Intel iPSC, a MASPAR and what I think is an IBM 5100 listed
with the a
strange title "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" listed in "antiques."
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=2…
I, too, am inclined that the seller has a problem with decimals. I think they
are very unfamiliar with eBay, having just registered. The ads are in the
wrong categories. The descriptions are not what would sell a piece of
equipment.
Also seller in Japan, listed on the Australian eBay site with shipping in
misquoted US Dollars. I suspect a Newbie or possibly fraudulent (low
probability
but worth being very careful)
Does anyone recognize the pictures as being from somewhere else on the WEB.
Many Japanese are collectors so it could be an original collection. The high
valuations lead me to think it might be a collector.
If you search their completed sales they are all collectable baseball cards.
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&am…
userid=extremejordanfanno1&include=0&since=30&sort=2&rows=100
They brought good money too. The Ford Typewriter is also getting good bids at
a price that indicate the decimal places are not misplaced.
I suspect a Japanese collector that is a newbie to eBay, and needs to raise
money.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
Who wishes he had an iPSC......
7:53 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
--- Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote:
Hello Paxton,
I don't know what it is like these days, but back in the 90's the US
dollar wasn't worth much in exchange against the Yen.
~115 Yen to the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was there in 1996. It's
been better recently, it was worse formerly. I _think_ the US dollar
hit a low of 87 Yen or so around the time you are thinking of.
some of the other instructors told me what it was like
to try to
go out on the local economy. Something like a hamburger being
$35.00 and such. I don't think they were BS'ing me about that either.
I personally saw a steak advertised in a window for 8000 Yen. I
chose to eat down the street at a "yakitori" place (grilled meat
on skewers) and had the most expensive meal of my trip - $22.00 USD
for a plate full of food and one or two beers. Most of my meals were
in the $6.00 to $8.00 range, but I can read Japanese menus and did not
go to the places frequented by Americans.
Yes, I'm certain that there were $35.00 hamburgers to be had. Local
cuisine (Soba, Ramen, Sashimi, Sushi, etc.) is much cheaper there
than beef. Save money in Tokyo - eat fish. Insisting on an American
diet in Asia is an expensive way to go.
-ethan
8:18 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
~115 Yen to the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was
there in 1996. It's
been better recently, it was worse formerly. I _think_ the US dollar
hit a low of 87 Yen or so around the time you are thinking of.
It was about 250 yen to the dollar 20 years ago, when I bought my Epson
RC20 (Z80 based wrist computer)
If you insist on avoiding the local cuisine, ANY place is too expensive.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
5:08 p.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Fred Cisin wrote:
And 360 yen to the dollar back in the late 60s. One of the nice
things that Japanese restaurants did - and may still do - is
display plastic models of their servings at the entrance to the
place. Very useful for those of us who don't read Kanji.
~115 Yen to
the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was there in 1996. It's
been better recently, it was worse formerly. I _think_ the US dollar
hit a low of 87 Yen or so around the time you are thinking of.
It was about 250 yen to the dollar 20 years ago, when I bought my Epson
RC20 (Z80 based wrist computer) If you insist on avoiding the local cuisine, ANY place
is too expensive.
Amen!
- don
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
5 Jul
5 Jul
10:15 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
--- Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote:
And 360 yen to the dollar back in the late 60s.
Wow... that would have been great. I watched the drachma erode
in Greece before they went Euro. :-(
One of the nice things that Japanese restaurants did -
and may still do
- is display plastic models of their servings at the entrance to the
place. Very useful for those of us who don't read Kanji.
Much of the good stuff is porcelain or glass. They make lots of
fake Japanese food here in Columbus at an art glass company.
-ethan
2 Jul
2 Jul
8:20 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
Hello Ethan,
I personally saw a steak advertised in a window for
8000 Yen.
~115 Yen to the US Dollar.
I just did the division. Then that would have been a $69.56 steak.
but I can read Japanese menus
That is a very good thing to be able to do. I have a very hard time
with Japanese, Korean, and Chinese character sets. German,
French, Spanish, and Italian are so much more comfortable for me.
Best Regards
At 12:49 PM 7/2/03 -0700, you wrote:
--- Mail List
<mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote:
Hello Paxton,
I don't know what it is like these days, but back in the 90's the US
dollar wasn't worth much in exchange against the Yen.
~115 Yen to the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was there in 1996. It's
been better recently, it was worse formerly. I _think_ the US dollar
hit a low of 87 Yen or so around the time you are thinking of.
some of the other instructors told me what it was
like to try to
go out on the local economy. Something like a hamburger being
$35.00 and such. I don't think they were BS'ing me about that either.
I personally saw a steak advertised in a window for 8000 Yen. I
chose to eat down the street at a "yakitori" place (grilled meat
on skewers) and had the most expensive meal of my trip - $22.00 USD
for a plate full of food and one or two beers. Most of my meals were
in the $6.00 to $8.00 range, but I can read Japanese menus and did not
go to the places frequented by Americans.
Yes, I'm certain that there were $35.00 hamburgers to be had. Local
cuisine (Soba, Ramen, Sashimi, Sushi, etc.) is much cheaper there
than beef. Save money in Tokyo - eat fish. Insisting on an American
diet in Asia is an expensive way to go.
-ethan 
8:33 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
Its always best to go out with somebody who lives in the area. They know the
good spots, and they are usually afordable.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mail List" <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8
was an Intel 8008")
Hello Ethan,
I personally saw a steak advertised in a window
for 8000 Yen.
~115 Yen to the US Dollar.
I just did the division. Then that would have been a $69.56 steak.
but I can read Japanese menus
That is a very good thing to be able to do. I have a very hard time
with Japanese, Korean, and Chinese character sets. German,
French, Spanish, and Italian are so much more comfortable for me.
Best Regards
At 12:49 PM 7/2/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--- Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote:
> > Hello Paxton,
> >
> > I don't know what it is like these days, but back in the 90's the US
> > dollar wasn't worth much in exchange against the Yen.
>
>~115 Yen to the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was there in 1996. It's
>been better recently, it was worse formerly. I _think_ the US dollar
>hit a low of 87 Yen or so around the time you are thinking of.
>
> > some of the other instructors told me what it was like to try to
> > go out on the local economy. Something like a hamburger being
> > $35.00 and such. I don't think they were BS'ing me about that either.
>
>I personally saw a steak advertised in a window for 8000 Yen. I
>chose to eat down the street at a "yakitori" place (grilled meat
>on skewers) and had the most expensive meal of my trip - $22.00 USD
>for a plate full of food and one or two beers. Most of my meals were
>in the $6.00 to $8.00 range, but I can read Japanese menus and did not
>go to the places frequented by Americans.
>
>Yes, I'm certain that there were $35.00 hamburgers to be had. Local
>cuisine (Soba, Ramen, Sashimi, Sushi, etc.) is much cheaper there
>than beef. Save money in Tokyo - eat fish. Insisting on an American
>diet in Asia is an expensive way to go.
>
>-ethan
9:40 a.m.
New subject: Japanese exchange rates/cost of eating out (was Re: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008")
--- Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote:
Hello Ethan,
I wrote:
I personally saw a steak advertised in a window
for 8000 Yen.
~115 Yen to the US Dollar.
I just did the division. Then that would have been a $69.56 steak.
>~115 Yen to the US Dollar. It was 105 when I was
there in 1996...
You missed the quote - it was 105 when I was there, not 115... it's
about 115 right now.
That was a $76 steak.
-ethan
5:04 p.m.
New subject: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" was Re: I thought the Univac was expensive
> It is an interesting batch of sales. If you look
at their
> other listings
> there is an Intel iPSC, a MASPAR and what I think is an IBM
> 5100 listed with the a
> strange title "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" listed in
"antiques."
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=2…
7186
I, too, am inclined that the seller has a problem with decimals. I
think they
are very unfamiliar with eBay, having just registered.
The ads are in
the
wrong categories. The descriptions are not what would
sell a piece of
equipment.
Also seller in Japan, listed on the Australian eBay
site with shipping
in
misquoted US Dollars. I suspect a Newbie or possibly
fraudulent (low
probability
but worth being very careful)
Does anyone recognize the pictures as being from somewhere else on the
WEB.
Many Japanese are collectors so it could be an
original collection.
The high
valuations lead me to think it might be a collector.
This crook has posted a picture from the Smithsonian exhibit, swiped
from a UC Davis site:
http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~csclub/museum/items/merk_8_ibm_5100.html
5:14 p.m.
New subject: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" was Re: I thought the Univac was expensive
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=2…
Well, not to mention the text seems to be mostly copied from the very same
page...
-Toth
Does anyone recognize the pictures as being from
somewhere else on the
WEB.
This crook has posted a picture from the Smithsonian exhibit, swiped
from a UC Davis site:
http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~csclub/museum/items/merk_8_ibm_5100.html 
3 Jul
3 Jul
8:47 a.m.
New subject: "The Mark-8 was an Intel 8008" was Re: I thought the Univac was expensive
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
This crook has posted a picture from the Smithsonian
exhibit, swiped
from a UC Davis site:
http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~csclub/museum/items/merk_8_ibm_5100.html
I noticed that but I thought he was just using that as an example picture
or something. But now that I think of it, that is pretty unsavory. What
is this bonehead up to?
--
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