Why yes, yes it is the Bergen Record. Right now my project has been put on hold. My friend asked the IT staff about a manual this morning, and they swore up and down that it doesn't matter, the newer version of ATEX will be going online in January. He doubts it, as it seems EVERYTHING they promise is about a year late before it actually gets in place. But until he can find a better person to talk to, there isn't much more I can do. However, I will keep my ears open, if I understand the Atex systems from their web site, the new system will no longer use the PDP-11 that the current one is based off. So one (or more? Atex implies that there may be multiples chained together) may be available soon. I don't have any pull down there to get them, but maybe I can get my friend to find someone I can talk to that does have some say in their disposal. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>