<Ok, so a uVax II can't do a 'test 50' to print out its MAC address, and it <isn't marked on the card itself. I can't seem to get tcpdump to see <anything, do I need a sniffer to get this puppy? <--Chuck The uVaxII is dumb but not braindead. The console has the ability to examin, find, deposit to any location and devices are in that list! So short of pulling the card and read the printing on the PROM you can do a Examine/Physical/Word/n:5 of the six locations starting at: If it's wrong, someone correct me it's something I haven't done in 6 years. The DEQNA and DELQA are identical in the console command and addresses needed to dump the MAC. If it doesnt' respond it may have a different address other than the default in the device switches on the card. Allison