9 Apr
2002
9 Apr
'02
9:43 a.m.
I went in over lunch to see what was new/old, and discovered they are
closing for inventory for a few weeks, but when they reopen in May,
they will only be open one day a week. The idea is that they will post
stuff to a web page so you can see what's worth a trip down on the single
day they do business. The guys who work there seem to think that
management
doesn't understand that stuff won't flow out as fast and they'll have
a backlog. They figure the new hours will last as long as the floor space
does.
In the meantime, they had PowerMac 6100s for $5, 7100s for $10-$15 (I left
them there; already have a 6100; just got an AV monitor from them for $5)
I also saw a couple of A-sized HP pen plotters, a bunch of free 14" VGA
monitors (probably to clear them out before inventory) and the usual
desks and IBM Selectric typewriters and $10 laser printers.
I did pick up a few things...
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart
Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
DEST PC SCAN 2000 (free)
NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the second one let out
the magic smoke).
Apple 20MB SCSI drive (old Mac or late Apple II)
Misc Sun SCSI, video and serial cables (free - being a regular customer
has its benefits, like knowing they allow you to take a dip into the
large box of assorted cables when purchasing items (no sign above the
box); they don't require a one-to-one match-up of cables to items, so I
get a lot of Mac and Sun goodies that way. They just don't want to
price the cables or keep them with the items for sale, so they all go in
a big box if they are not attached to things).
I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards on
the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah, well.
-ethan
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9 Apr
9 Apr
12:11 p.m.
Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff? I need a keyboard and some
cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together.
Tnx es 73
Chris
KI0EW
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 12:43, you wrote:
I went in over lunch to see what was new/old, and
discovered they are
closing for inventory for a few weeks, but when they reopen in May,
they will only be open one day a week. The idea is that they will post
stuff to a web page so you can see what's worth a trip down on the single
day they do business. The guys who work there seem to think that
management
doesn't understand that stuff won't flow out as fast and they'll have
a backlog. They figure the new hours will last as long as the floor space
does.
In the meantime, they had PowerMac 6100s for $5, 7100s for $10-$15 (I left
them there; already have a 6100; just got an AV monitor from them for $5)
I also saw a couple of A-sized HP pen plotters, a bunch of free 14" VGA
monitors (probably to clear them out before inventory) and the usual
desks and IBM Selectric typewriters and $10 laser printers.
I did pick up a few things...
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart
Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
DEST PC SCAN 2000 (free)
NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the second one let out
the magic smoke).
Apple 20MB SCSI drive (old Mac or late Apple II)
Misc Sun SCSI, video and serial cables (free - being a regular customer
has its benefits, like knowing they allow you to take a dip into the
large box of assorted cables when purchasing items (no sign above the
box); they don't require a one-to-one match-up of cables to items, so I
get a lot of Mac and Sun goodies that way. They just don't want to
price the cables or keep them with the items for sale, so they all go in
a big box if they are not attached to things).
I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards on
the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah, well.
-ethan
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3 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
--- Chris Craft <ccraft(a)springsips.com> wrote:
Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff? I
need a keyboard and
some cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together.
Never. This is Unix and Mac-land.
I do happen to have some twinax baluns from a former tenant of a
shop that my former employer took over. They previous guys had an AS/400
and terminals on peoples' desks. The best computer in the place was a
486 tower, in 2000! They were in the forklift business - this was some
sort of documentation center for the company.
Anyway... some of the PCs had a 5150 emulation card. Got one, in box,
with cables and original invoice!
They didn't run twinax everwhere. They had CAT4 wire in the walls and
used Baluns on the back of everything, with silver satin cord to the
wall jacks, etc.
-ethan
Tnx es 73
Chris
KI0EW
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 12:43, you wrote:
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I went in over lunch to see what was new/old, and
discovered they are
closing for inventory for a few weeks, but when they reopen in May,
they will only be open one day a week. The idea is that they will post
stuff to a web page so you can see what's worth a trip down on the
single
day they do business. The guys who work there
seem to think that
management
doesn't understand that stuff won't flow out as fast and they'll have
a backlog. They figure the new hours will last as long as the floor
space
does.
In the meantime, they had PowerMac 6100s for $5, 7100s for $10-$15 (I
left
them there; already have a 6100; just got an AV
monitor from them for
$5)
I also saw a couple of A-sized HP pen plotters, a
bunch of free 14" VGA
monitors (probably to clear them out before inventory) and the usual
desks and IBM Selectric typewriters and $10 laser printers.
I did pick up a few things...
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart
Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
DEST PC SCAN 2000 (free)
NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the second one let
out
the magic smoke).
Apple 20MB SCSI drive (old Mac or late Apple II)
Misc Sun SCSI, video and serial cables (free - being a regular customer
has its benefits, like knowing they allow you to take a dip into the
large box of assorted cables when purchasing items (no sign above the
box); they don't require a one-to-one match-up of cables to items, so
I
get a lot of Mac and Sun goodies that way.
They just don't want to
price the cables or keep them with the items for sale, so they all go
in
a big box if they are not attached to things).
I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards
on
> the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah, well.
>
> -ethan
>
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>
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3:23 p.m.
New subject: COCO 2 available
Under the mistaken notion that there'd be a WD1772 inside, I snagged a CoCo2
at the loca thrift shop. It was in what appeared to be the original box and
didn't look beaten up, having a Radio Shack receipt I haven't yet examined in
the box with it. I did look inside, and found it didn't have the desired
part, so, if someone wants it, it's yours for $5 + the cost of USPS freight.
There's not much inside, other than the socketed components, of which I
already have plenty, so I'd just as soon find it a home as scavenge parts and
toss the rest. I'm still hot for one or more of those 1772's, though.
Dick
3:44 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
--- Chris Craft <ccraft(a)springsips.com> wrote:
I despair of ever getting my AS400 working. I have the machine, I have the
necessary adapter in the machine, I have terminals, I have twinax.
I don't have the 25 pin d to 8x twinax connector gizmo (I can supply an IBM
part no). I've had a few offered to me, but they all want very serious
money for it. Considering I paid $25AU for the lot I'm not that interested
in shelling out a couple of hundred for the terminal interface box and
cable.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff?
I need a keyboard and
some cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together.
Never. This is Unix and Mac-land.
I do happen to have some twinax baluns from a former tenant of a
shop that my former employer took over. They previous guys had an AS/400
and terminals on peoples' desks. The best computer in the place was a
486 tower, in 2000! They were in the forklift business - this was some
sort of documentation center for the company. 
3:59 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Geoff Roberts wrote:
I don't have the 25 pin d to 8x twinax connector
gizmo (I can supply an IBM
part no). I've had a few offered to me, but they all want very serious
money for it. Considering I paid $25AU for the lot I'm not that interested
in shelling out a couple of hundred for the terminal interface box and
cable.
A couple of hundred for the workstation adapter cable is nothing compared
to the cost of $26,000 IBM quoted me, to license OS/400 for mine.
Word of warning for the rest of you, the conventional wisdom that states
RISC AS/400 = V4 = transferrable OS isn't entirely true. _Some_ RISC
AS/400s did run a late release of V3. Licenses for OS/400 V3 are not
transferrable, whether for RISC or CISC.
ok
r.
5:53 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a
while...)
Yeah, this box (CISC) has OS/400 installed AFAIK. Can't tell for sure since
I don't have the
black box to hook up the twinax terms. But the diag readout suggests it's
booting something.
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Geoff Roberts wrote:
> I don't have the 25 pin d to 8x twinax connector gizmo (I can supply an
IBM
> part no). I've had a few offered to me, but
they all want very serious
> money for it. Considering I paid $25AU for the lot I'm not that
interested
in shelling
out a couple of hundred for the terminal interface box and
cable.
A couple of hundred for the workstation adapter cable is nothing compared
to the cost of $26,000 IBM quoted me, to license OS/400 for mine. Word of warning for the rest of you, the conventional
wisdom that states
RISC AS/400 = V4 = transferrable OS isn't entirely true. _Some_ RISC
AS/400s did run a late release of V3. Licenses for OS/400 V3 are not
transferrable, whether for RISC or CISC.
Not planning to use it to do anything, so doesn't really matter anyway. I
just want a complete system.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
6:46 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
Hm... that particular bit I //do// have. Perhaps I should (carefully) see
what's inside.
-Chris.
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 18:44, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
--- Chris Craft <ccraft(a)springsips.com>
wrote:
I despair of ever getting my AS400 working. I have the machine, I have the
necessary adapter in the machine, I have terminals, I have twinax.
I don't have the 25 pin d to 8x twinax connector gizmo (I can supply an IBM
part no). I've had a few offered to me, but they all want very serious
money for it. Considering I paid $25AU for the lot I'm not that interested
in shelling out a couple of hundred for the terminal interface box and
cable.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff?
I need a keyboard and
some cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together.
Never. This is Unix and Mac-land.
I do happen to have some twinax baluns from a former tenant of a
shop that my former employer took over. They previous guys had an AS/400
and terminals on peoples' desks. The best computer in the place was a
486 tower, in 2000! They were in the forklift business - this was some
sort of documentation center for the company.
8:17 p.m.
New subject: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a while...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Craft" <ccraft(a)netgenius.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Twinax (was Re: Last run at the local Uni Surplus for a
while...)
Hm... that particular bit I //do// have. Perhaps I
should (carefully) see
what's inside.
Good idea. Then let me know :^)
The IBM Part No. is 21F5093 if you want to make sure first.
Geoff in Oz
1:43 p.m.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart
I bought a 502 and a 502A for a total of $5 last year at auction. I've not
yet powered them up, as they need to be restored, but I have located a
source for service manuals. If you want a copy of the manual, and don't
mind waiting awhile, I'm going to be ordering them along with quite a few
other Tek manuals. Anyone else out there a Tektronix fan/collector?
Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
Nice...I believe you can get manuals for these too, but they have to be
obtained from a 3rd party, since Heath no longer offers them.
NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the
second one let
out the magic smoke).
I'm viewing this text on one of those right now. It does currently need
some caps replaced, but works good after it warms up ;)
The second monitor probably blew one of the transistors in the switching
supply. I've seen quite a few of the old 2A monitors do that. It's often
caused by (you guessed it) bad caps.
I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple
of SGI keyboards
on the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah,
well.
Do keyboards and mice for the old 4D systems turn up very often? I've been
needing to track some down, but I haven't bothered since I don't have room
to set the systems up for normal use yet. I'll probably end up using a
dumb terminal more often than the console anyway.
-Toth
2:46 p.m.
--- Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> wrote:
OK. One is in nice shape, one has had the power cable cut off (suggesting
to me that it is defective).
Nope. First time.
-ethan
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I was told by the surplus guy that someone else powered it up yesterday.
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt
cart
I bought a 502 and a 502A for a total of $5 last year at auction. I've
not yet powered them up, as they need to be restored, but I have located a
source for service manuals. If you want a copy of the manual, and don't
mind waiting awhile, I'm going to be ordering them along with quite a few
other Tek manuals. Anyone else out there a Tektronix fan/collector?
Yes!
Heath ES-600
function generator (q. 2)
Nice...I believe you can get manuals for these too, but they have to be
obtained from a 3rd party, since Heath no longer offers them. I must have
missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards
on the keyboard shelf.
Do keyboards and mice for the old 4D systems turn up very often? I've
been needing to track some down...
3:45 p.m.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
OK. One is in nice shape, one has had the power cable cut off
(suggesting to me that it is defective).
Well, cut cables don't always mean bad gear when it comes from a
university auction. Someone cut the cord off of a nice bit of tube gear I
got from one university...he wanted the cord to test a motor...
-Toth
--- Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> wrote:
Uh oh. I'd suggest you check it out before powering it up again, or at
least bring it up slowly to full power with a variac while monitoring its
current draw. The power transformers for these things are somewhat hard to
find, and a bad cap could take it out.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I was told by the surplus guy that someone else powered it up
yesterday. Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt
cart
I bought a 502 and a 502A for a total of $5 last year at auction. I've
not yet powered them up, as they need to be restored, Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
Nice...I believe you can get manuals for these too, but they have to be
obtained from a 3rd party, since Heath no longer offers them.
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