12 Apr
2005
12 Apr
'05
11:56 a.m.
There's three curious things about this. One, it of
course gets
through text-matching filters. Two, it retroactively ruinates
real ASCII art (if this catches on, seems most unlikely). Three,
is there a drawing program for this?
The next generation of spam filters needs to start doing spell checking.
If more then a certain number of words don't match the dictionary file,
then it is rejected.
This does double duty, helps filter out spam using letter substitution,
and also helps filter out people who can't be bothered with spell check
(including all those teens that type like they are chatting via text
messaging). :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
12 Apr
12 Apr
12:11 p.m.
The next generation of spam filters needs to start
doing spell
checking. If more then a certain number of words don't match the
dictionary file, then it is rejected.
Men det har problemer med annen spraaker. Si le dictionnaire ne
contient pas la langue dans laquelle le courriel est ecrit....
[Translation: But it has problems with other languages. If the
dictionary doesn't contain the language in which the email is
written....]
Or if the email contains, say, a befunge program, rather than any
natural-language text. For example, here's a program that (allegedly -
I haven't checked) computes square roots:
v>00p10p>00g:10g\/v
^:&< |:-1p00/2+<
93*^ >00g.@
/~\ The ASCII der Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca
/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
5:09 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
I was looking for the "turing tar pit" on the web to find out if
befunge
was the hardest
language to program in. I think "brainfuck" or something like that was
the hardest to
program in. Anyhow I found a site with some intersting thoughts about
computers and
programing -- "Epigrams in Programming"
http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html
A nice break from all the hardware hacking.
The next
generation of spam filters needs to start doing spell
checking. If more then a certain number of words don't match the
dictionary file, then it is rejected.
Or if the email contains, say, a befunge program, rather than any
natural-language text. For example, here's a program that (allegedly -
I haven't checked) computes square roots:
v>00p10p>00g:10g\/v
^:&< |:-1p00/2+<
>93*^ >00g.@
>
> 
12:39 p.m.
The next generation of spam filters needs to start
doing spell
checking. If more then a certain number of words don't match
the dictionary file, then it is rejected.
There have been some posts to this list with more
than one typo per line average. I'd hate to see them go. yeah.
Bottomline, posters: the less you care, the less I care.
John A.
4:53 p.m.
chris wrote:
The next generation of spam filters needs to start
doing spell checking.
If more then a certain number of words don't match the dictionary file,
then it is rejected.
The spam filters need to learn to read instead. Sadly most spam I get
now is random words
style spam. Ben alias worlds worst speller.
5:18 p.m.
Hmm I can remember having a mod for my BBS package that would filter out
any ad's from other BBS' and those contained also random stuff so hmm
should be usuable for spam too no ?
At 22:53 12-4-2005, you wrote:
chris wrote:
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The next generation of spam filters needs to start
doing spell checking.
If more then a certain number of words don't match the dictionary file,
then it is rejected.
The spam filters need to learn to read instead. Sadly most spam I get now
is random words
style spam. Ben alias worlds worst speller.
7:57 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:18:25 +0200
Stefan <birs23 at zeelandnet.nl> wrote:
Hmm I can remember having a mod for my BBS package
that would filter
out any ad's from other BBS' and those contained also random stuff so
hmm should be usuable for spam too no ?
I had a 'filter' on my BBS because one single user had an annoying habit
of typing in ALL CAPS. And he didn't have an all-caps terminal to use
as an excuse. So one night I dug in and hacked the Pascal code (this
was a WWIV BBS) to not allow any but the first letter in an entered word
to be upper case (it would automatically force all following letters to
lower case until some whitespace occured). Next time Mister All-Caps
logged in he had a fit. What a riot online life was those days...
13 Apr
13 Apr
3:47 a.m.
At 00:57 13/04/2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
I had a 'filter' on my BBS because one single
user had an annoying habit
of typing in ALL CAPS. And he didn't have an all-caps terminal to use
as an excuse. So one night I dug in and hacked the Pascal code (this
was a WWIV BBS) to not allow any but the first letter in an entered word
to be upper case (it would automatically force all following letters to
lower case until some whitespace occured). Next time Mister All-Caps
logged in he had a fit. What a riot online life was those days...
You still run into those, on the web. I've given up complaining about web
based order forms etc that decide they know better than me how to
capitalise my surname, (though I wonder if they'd fix it if McDonalds
complained) but there are rather a lot of systems that simply break when
they encounter the apostrophe in my name. Sometimes they refuse to accept
it at all, but at least that's better than those that accept it, then fall
over later on in incredibly more subtle ways. (o2.com anybody?)
The number of MS-SQL errors I see when I hit Submit ...
Rob O'Donnell.
3:38 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
I had a 'filter' on my BBS because one single
user had an annoying habit
of typing in ALL CAPS. And he didn't have an all-caps terminal to use
as an excuse. So one night I dug in and hacked the Pascal code (this
was a WWIV BBS) to not allow any but the first letter in an entered word
to be upper case (it would automatically force all following letters to
lower case until some whitespace occured). Next time Mister All-Caps
logged in he had a fit. What a riot online life was those days...
I too ran a lot of BBSs for a lot of years, and the one thing I
could never understand is, why did sysops ever care about such
things? I agree that ALL CAPS IS LIKE YELLING but so what?
9:32 p.m.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Tom Jennings <tomj at wps.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
It was the whole sysop power trip, I think. In my case, though, it was
about freaking out that one dude.
There's a need for someone to write a good solid history of 1980's BBS
culture. A lot of complicated socioligical (sp?) phenomena has never
really been well explored and recorded that I know of. I.e. : if you
let your message base be taken over by 'the dude who types in all caps'
people quit responding. Then there are no new messages for people to
see and respond to. After they call two times and there are no new
messages, they never call again. Boards could die OVERNIGHT that way,
and often did.
(this is turning into topic drift, to bring it back on-topic slightly
I'll mention that I first started BBSing on a printing DecWriter and an
acoustic coupler before I could afford a 'real' computer with serial
port and all that fancy stuff. Fancy verbose 'welcome screens' on BBSes
were distressing, eating up a few feet of paper each time I logged on.)
I had a 'filter' on my BBS because one
single user had an annoying
habit of typing in ALL CAPS. And he didn't have an all-caps
terminal to use as an excuse. So one night I dug in and hacked the
Pascal code (this was a WWIV BBS) to not allow any but the first
letter in an entered word to be upper case (it would automatically
force all following letters to lower case until some whitespace
occured). Next time Mister All-Caps logged in he had a fit. What a
riot online life was those days...
I too ran a lot of BBSs for a lot of years, and the one thing I
could never understand is, why did sysops ever care about such
things? I agree that ALL CAPS IS LIKE YELLING but so what?
15 Apr
15 Apr
1:19 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
There's a need for someone to write a good solid
history of 1980's BBS
culture. A lot of complicated socioligical (sp?) phenomena has never
really been well explored and recorded that I know of. I.e. : if you
ASCII and you shall receive:
BBS: The Documentary
http://www.bbsdocumentary.com
Highly recommended.
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1:05 p.m.
Scott Stevens wrote:
There's a need for someone to write a good solid
history of 1980's BBS
culture. A lot of complicated socioligical (sp?) phenomena has never
really been well explored and recorded that I know of. I.e. : if you
let your message base be taken over by 'the dude who types in all caps'
people quit responding. Then there are no new messages for people to
see and respond to. After they call two times and there are no new
messages, they never call again. Boards could die OVERNIGHT that way,
and often did.
Jason Scott's BBS Documentary touches on that a little. Not a lot, but it is
definitely covered throughout the interviews. The segment you'll want to watch
when he publishes it next month is "SYSOPS and USERS".
--
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Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
12 Apr
12 Apr
5:19 p.m.
the random crapola spam is trying to spoof ISP baysian spam filters. They
dont
care if you read it or not.
The words fill up the ISP level filters and they don't know what is spam
and what is not.
It's a tough nut to crack. If spelling and grammar were the measure we'd all
be
in trouble.
Jim
woodelf wrote:
chris wrote:
The next generation of spam filters needs to start
doing spell checking.
If more then a certain number of words don't match the dictionary file,
then it is rejected.
The spam filters need to learn to read instead. Sadly most spam I get
now is random words
style spam. Ben alias worlds worst speller.
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