As far as I know, Inside Macintosh just keeps expanding, adding new books as new stuff comes along. For a Mac SE, just don't get the later books. Check around at used book stores. IM is also available on CD-ROM. As for what to use, try to dig up old software, there's Lightspeed Pascal(aka THINK Pascal), Microsoft Basic, I think Microsoft also had something for C on the older Macs. If you just want to go D/L something of the net, there are a lot of shareware/freeware programs out there that run on older Macs. You just have to look a little harder... As for Apple, I know they had something, I just don't remember what it was. -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/