1 Jul
2005
1 Jul
'05
11:55 a.m.
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently. I
just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
There's no guarantee it's an Apple 1. The seller says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][ in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will know.
My take is that the seller knows full well what it is, and is hoping
people will think it is an Apple 1 (and judging by the questions at
the bottom, they do). People will then drive up the price to some
outrageous level. When they get it and realize it's just a //e that
someone threw in a wooden case (or maybe not even anything in the
Apple line), they'll get mad, but there's nothing they can do because
he described it accurately .....
Cynical, yes, but most likely true :-)
Rich B.
1 Jul
1 Jul
12:01 p.m.
It could be one of Vince Briel's replicas. He has sold a few in wooden
cases via eBay.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Richard Beaudry
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:55 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Apple _1_ on ebay???
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently. I
just did and saw
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
40640
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
There's no guarantee it's an Apple 1. The seller says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][ in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will know.
My take is that the seller knows full well what it is, and is hoping people
will think it is an Apple 1 (and judging by the questions at the bottom,
they do). People will then drive up the price to some outrageous level.
When they get it and realize it's just a //e that someone threw in a wooden
case (or maybe not even anything in the Apple line), they'll get mad, but
there's nothing they can do because he described it accurately .....
Cynical, yes, but most likely true :-)
Rich B.
7:27 p.m.
There's no guarantee it's an Apple 1. The
seller
says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][
in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will
know.
I asked the seller for some pictures "under the hood"
of that machine, and was told that it had already been
boxed up for shipment. I'd imagine that if the really
thought it was an Apple I, he'd oblige, so it seems
clear that he expected to gain more from the
uninformed speculation of the potential buyers.
--Bill
7:37 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Maddox" <wmaddox at pacbell.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: Apple _1_ on ebay???
There is a sucker born every minute. Did you see the other things the winner
has bid on, he must have deep pockets (Alonzo Mourning used Nikes $399, Deon
Sanders sweaty Jersey $1800, NRI 832 $1713.88). I don't think this guy in
Texas is going to be short on the rent if this wooden box is holding an
Apple II board.
There's no
guarantee it's an Apple 1. The seller
says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][
in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will
know.
I asked the seller for some pictures "under the hood"
of that machine, and was told that it had already been
boxed up for shipment. I'd imagine that if the really
thought it was an Apple I, he'd oblige, so it seems
clear that he expected to gain more from the
uninformed speculation of the potential buyers.
--Bill
7:57 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Teo Zenios wrote:
There is a sucker born every minute. Did you see the
other things the winner
has bid on, he must have deep pockets (Alonzo Mourning used Nikes $399, Deon
Sanders sweaty Jersey $1800, NRI 832 $1713.88).
Maybe he just likes to smell things that were worn by big athletic black
men.
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8:15 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Teo Zenios wrote:
hahaha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that! Also, has has been
previously mentioned that wooden thing can't be an apple 1 given that the
apple 1 cases I've seen have had the keyboard at the end of the board
which is lengthways, and that case isn't as deep as the keyboard is wide
if you see what I mean :) Also, 'cards and wires?' Congrats to the man for
duping the foolish.....
--
adrian/witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?
There is a sucker born every minute. Did you see
the other things the
winner
has bid on, he must have deep pockets (Alonzo Mourning used Nikes $399,
Deon
Sanders sweaty Jersey $1800, NRI 832 $1713.88).
Maybe he just likes to smell things that were worn by big athletic black
men.
8:55 p.m.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, Witchy wrote:
hahaha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one
thinking that! Also, has has been
previously mentioned that wooden thing can't be an apple 1 given that the
apple 1 cases I've seen have had the keyboard at the end of the board
which is lengthways, and that case isn't as deep as the keyboard is wide
if you see what I mean :) Also, 'cards and wires?' Congrats to the man for
duping the foolish.....
Eh. I looked at that too, but I think the case has the right dimensions
to accomodate the Apple-1 motherboard.
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2 Jul
2 Jul
5:22 a.m.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, Witchy wrote:
> hahaha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that! Also, has has been
> previously mentioned that wooden thing can't be an apple 1 given that
> the
Eh. I looked at that too, but I think the case has the right dimensions
to accomodate the Apple-1 motherboard.
Hm, actually you could be right, it's smaller than I thought:
http://torzewski.tripod.com/apple1computer/id1.html
The whole thing still smacks of bogus though. If it isn't then someone's
got themselves a hell of a bargain :)
--
adrian/witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?
6:30 a.m.
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, Witchy wrote:
>
>> hahaha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that! Also, has has
been
> previously
mentioned that wooden thing can't be an apple 1 given that
> the
Eh. I looked at that too, but I think the case has the right dimensions
to accomodate the Apple-1 motherboard.
1 Jul
1 Jul
7:51 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, William Maddox wrote:
Me too, but I didn't get the courtesy of a reply. But wow, he's fast.
Already has it boxed up for shipping, does he? Right. What a dick. But
I gotta say, the buyer is an even bigger dick.
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There's no
guarantee it's an Apple 1. The seller says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][ in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will know.
I asked the seller for some pictures "under the hood" of that machine,
and was told that it had already been boxed up for shipment. I'd imagine
that if the really thought it was an Apple I, he'd oblige, so it seems
clear that he expected to gain more from the uninformed speculation of
the potential buyers. 
8:22 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Me too, but I didn't get the courtesy of a reply.
But wow, he's fast.
Already has it boxed up for shipping, does he? Right. What a dick. But
I gotta say, the buyer is an even bigger dick.
Umm, when I put stuff up for non-local sale, I usually pack it
*before* I list it. That lets me give exact quotes on shipping.
Of course, I'm usually a lot more clear on what I'm selling, too, and
for $2500, I think I'd cut some tape.
Doc
12:13 p.m.
Yeah, something smells fishy... I am looking at the seller's other
auctions... one is for a old (early/mid-1990s) NEC tablet computer, and he
says it's "a great way to try out and play with a tablet PC" -- implying
that it's a modern "Tablet PC" with the up-to-date Windows apps, etc. --
and
also that in order to "not disturb the original packing, I did not test this
item. I have every reason to believe it works." His other auction is for a
TRS-80 Model 3, and he emphasizes that "I understand how important this item
is to history." Geez, it's not an Apple 1, it's a TRS-80, ya know? :)
So either he's really stupid or really a scammer.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Richard Beaudry
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:55 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Apple _1_ on ebay???
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently. I
just did and saw
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
40640
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
There's no guarantee it's an Apple 1. The seller says only he can see
"wires and cards" inside. Perhaps it is an Apple ][ in a wooden case?
Nobody knows, and without pictures, nobody will know.
My take is that the seller knows full well what it is, and is hoping people
will think it is an Apple 1 (and judging by the questions at the bottom,
they do). People will then drive up the price to some outrageous level.
When they get it and realize it's just a //e that someone threw in a wooden
case (or maybe not even anything in the Apple line), they'll get mad, but
there's nothing they can do because he described it accurately .....
Cynical, yes, but most likely true :-)
Rich B.
4:15 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:13:17 -0400
"'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at computercollector.com>
wrote:
Yeah, something smells fishy... I am looking at the
seller's other
auctions... one is for a old (early/mid-1990s) NEC tablet computer,
and he says it's "a great way to try out and play with a tablet PC" --
implying that it's a modern "Tablet PC" with the up-to-date Windows
apps, etc. -- and also that in order to "not disturb the original
packing, I did not test this item. I have every reason to believe it
works." His other auction is for a TRS-80 Model 3, and he emphasizes
that "I understand how important this item is to history." Geez, it's
not an Apple 1, it's a TRS-80, ya know? :)
Well, a TRS-80, if it's a model 1, and not a model 3, arguably is more
important to history than an Apple 1 (though far, far more common). The
Apple 1 was just one of a number of hobby circuit-board-only computers
on the market at the time. The TRS-80 was one of the first big
_successful_ computers people really used.
4:46 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
Well, a TRS-80, if it's a model 1, and not a model
3, arguably is more
important to history than an Apple 1 (though far, far more common). The
Apple 1 was just one of a number of hobby circuit-board-only computers
on the market at the time. The TRS-80 was one of the first big
_successful_ computers people really used.
Arguably, being the key. The Apple-1 is the predecessor to the Apple ][.
which was far more successful than the TRS-80 line, though it was
successful in its own right.
The significance of the Apple-1 in April 1976 was that, nothwithstanding
the Sol-20, it was pretty much everything you needed to get going with a
computer. It integrated the CPU, video interface, and had BASIC in ROM.
You did have to add the other half of the power supply (transformers) and
a keyboard, but otherwise it was a complete computer on a single board.
This was significant for the day.
Most other computers of the era required you to buy a whole bunch of
pieces of hardware and somehow figure out how to put it all together and
make it work.
The Apple ][ was really just a refined Apple 1 but with important
enhancements (graphics being one) and everything that a consumer computer
should've been. The Apple ][ came to market in the spring of 1977. The
TRS-80 came out later in the fall of that year.
There was nothing the first TRS-80 was that the Apple ][ wasn't. In terms
of capability, the TRS-80 was somewhere between the Apple-1 and ][.
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6 Jul
6 Jul
6:50 p.m.
Rumor has it that Vintage Computer Festival may have mentioned these words:
There was nothing the first TRS-80 was that the Apple
][ wasn't.
Grey?
;-)
Still clawing my way back from the edge of the earth... Damn near fell off! :-O
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