8 Jul
2003
8 Jul
'03
10:29 a.m.
Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com> wrote:
Aww. They aren't the worst cheapo card I've
been forced to buy in my
career, as in they actually work, if slowly.
What do you want for ?9
I just get something of a chuckle out of people who figure all
Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01].
-Frank McConnell
8 Jul
8 Jul
10:46 a.m.
New subject: OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)
On 8 Jul 2003, Frank McConnell wrote:
I just get something of a chuckle out of people who
figure all
Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01].
Oooo! the 501. Baaaaaad memories. Sometimes, weather and
other
conditions permitting, it would actually not choke on inbound
packets. :)
--f
5:58 p.m.
New subject: OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at Fry's in CA...)
On 8 Jul 2003, Frank McConnell wrote:
Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com>
wrote:
What lesson was that? I thought they were fine. At least I never had
problems with them.
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Aww. They aren't the worst cheapo card
I've been forced to buy in my
career, as in they actually work, if slowly.
What do you want for ?9
I just get something of a chuckle out of people who figure all
Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01]. 
6:24 p.m.
New subject: OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at
It was thus said that the Great Vintage Computer Festival once stated:
On 8 Jul 2003, Frank McConnell wrote:
Reading the comments in the Linux 3c501 driver (drivers/net/3c501.c) is
amusing. Some of the good bits:
Do not purchase this card, even as a joke. It's performance is horrible,
and it breaks in many ways.
* Some documentation is available from 3Com. Due to the boards age
* standard responses when you ask for this will range from 'be serious'
* to 'give it to a museum'. The documentation is incomplete and mostly
* of historical interest anyway.
The driver still allows only the default address for cards when loaded
as a module, but that's really less braindead than anyone using a 3c501
board. :)
-spc (Doesn't seem to be very popular with the Linux crowd. But I've used
other 3Com cards with no problem)
Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com>
wrote:
What lesson was that? I thought they were fine. At least I never had
problems with them. Aww. They aren't the worst cheapo card
I've been forced to buy in my
career, as in they actually work, if slowly.
What do you want for ?9
I just get something of a chuckle out of people who figure all
Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01].
9 Jul
9 Jul
5:09 a.m.
New subject: OT: Realtek; Was Re: Windoze crash (was Re: Well, I was at
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote:
Oh, never mind. I was thinking of the 3c509, which works pretty OK.
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What lesson
was that? I thought they were fine. At least I never had
problems with them.
Reading the comments in the Linux 3c501 driver (drivers/net/3c501.c) is
amusing. Some of the good bits: 
2:22 a.m.
On 2003.07.08 17:22 Frank McConnell wrote:
Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01].
The 3C50[01] was bevore my time. Please tell me the story.
BTW: I found this in the NetBSD source for the Realtek cards:
src/sys/dev/pci/if_rtk_pci.c
/*
* Default to using PIO access for this driver. On SMP systems,
* there appear to be problems with memory mapped mode: it looks like
* doing too many memory mapped access back to back in rapid succession
* can hang the bus. I'm inclined to blame this on crummy
design/construction
* on the part of RealTek. Memory mapped mode does appear to work on
* uniprocessor systems though.
*/
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Jochen
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8:43 a.m.
Sounds like my old boss ... he always bought the cheapest junk. He used to
buy the ?9 modems as well, until I convinced him (after about a dozen on
site visits) that it was worth the extra ?20 to put in external *real*
modems. No problems after that...
At 08:22 08/07/2003 -0700, Frank wrote:
I just get something of a chuckle out of people who
figure all
Ethernet cards are alike. Perhaps they have forgotten the lessons of
the 3Com 3C50[01].
-Frank McConnell
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