Hey what a deal. I paid 10 for mine which included 5 1/4 drive and color monitor. Didn't realize until later that it is the hotrod of the Apple II's. It runs at 4 mHz instead of the usual 1 mHz, and I think you can add memeory up to 512k. I'm looking for the LCD display that goes with it, as I'd like to be able to use it as a cheap and dirty RS232 terminal. I have a handful of 3.5" drives in questionable shape that will work on it, or the IIGS. you can daisychain one 3.5 drive and 2 5.25's and that together makes a pretty forminable Apple system. There was a hard drive made too, but that's kinda overkill, as the 3.5" floppies hold 800k anyways. The trick is finding the DSDD floppies . . . I've found them at hamfests Enjoy . . . . Gary HIldebrand St. Joseph, MO

On 08/28/02, Ethan Dicks scribbled: You know, I do believe I have an extra Mouse Systems metal mouse pad, that looks a lot like the pad I have for my Sun Optical mouse. I'll have to check when I get home tonight. If it's the right nodel number for you, you can have it for (what's a reasonable price?) plus shipping... -- --- David A. Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Dicks" <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: Re: IIc+ mouse `A+ Little Mouse' The same afternoon, I came across a ][c, with PS, in an apple-branded soft case. I was pretty excited to see the PS, as the ][c+ was bare, nothing but the box, and snapped up the ][c as well. It wasn't until I got around to trying it out that I realized my error... :) That's what I was afraid of. If I had some software, I'd try the pad to my sun-whatever optical. You wouldn't happen to know if there's any built-in goodies, would you? Thanks. Bob

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Robert F. Schaefer wrote: If I recall correctly, the seminally useless 40/80 column switch on the //c was changed into a processor speed switch on the //c+. Look at the two little diagonal buttons on the left side of the case just above the keyboard. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Robert F. Schaefer wrote: I know one of them was replaced by a volume knob but I could've swore one of them was changed to the processor speed setting. The other switch was the slightly less useless QWERTY/Dvorak setting. Who the hell uses Dvorak? A very interesting and unique feature to have on a computer (anyone else know of a computer that had a switch that would instantly change the keymapping between QWERTY and Dvorak?) but all it ended up doing most of the time is confusing clueless users who would accidentally press the switch not knowing what it was (or other people pressing the switch to befuddle the next user, especially in computer classroom settings) and ending up with a computer that would be seemingly outputting gibberish when you typed. What is the other switch for? I don't have a //c+ handy to check, and I couldn't find anything in my quick and lazy web search. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Robert F Schaefer wrote: So the shenanigans continued with the //c+ :)\ I found this in Section 2.4 of the Apple ][ FAQ: The IIc+ normally boots at high (4Mhz) speed, but if you hold down the 'escape' key on boot/reboot, it'll drop down to normal speed until the next reboot. http://www.gno.org/pub/apple2/doc/FAQs/csa2.part1.txt This is the same way the TransWarp accelerator works on my Apple //e. You press ESC when it's booting (the TransWarp has control of the system first and fades in the "TransWarp" logo, during which time you can hit the key) and it boots under regular speed (which is to say it hands control to the mainboard 6502, whereas normally it takes control of the system with it's on-board accelerated 6502). You can also poke a byte (any byte will do) to location $C074 and it will disable the TransWarp. You normally have to reset after this, and the effect is permanent until you power cycle the computer. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote: Slot 3 on the Apple //e bus is a special slot. Normally, if you have an 80-column card plugged into the special auxiliary slot, you can't use slot 3 for anything else, but the TransWarp is an exception. It was designed to co-reside with the 80-column card without conflicting, and so takes advantage of a completely empty (and otherwise useless) slot. I don't know the actual technical process since I never looked into it, but in essence I imagine what the TransWarp does is pulls some signal to let the bus know that it is in control and then takes over that way. I should dig out my copy of the //e technical reference manual to find out exactly what's going on. I imagine it could work in any slot, but I haven't read the documentation in years, don't know exactly where it is, and don't have the time to experiment right now :( Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

You'd think I would check the obvious places for something like this, wouldn't you? :/ In my defense, I've been busy restoring the payroll database from a nearly-blank QIC backup tape... :( Bob

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: //c+ switch settings, QWERTY/Dvorak (was Re: IIc+ mouse `A+ Little Dvorak vs. qwerty, just like the ][c. It was kind of amusing to push the button, and watch the wrong letters some up. Too bad the switch doesn't change the keycaps too! Bob

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Derek Peschel wrote: Both I guess. It didn't actually change the display. It was supposed to be a way for the user to indicate their screen width preference. It basically set a flag in memory (a so-called "soft-switch") that applications could choose to honor or ignore. I can't recall any application that ever honored it for any reason. Maybe a word processor was made that did, but I don't know about it. It's a stupid switch. Either your program sufficed with 40-columns or 80-columns. If you had 80-columns and you were a word processor, why let the user type in 40-columns instead? Maybe they were using a TV, but that was their fault. Go buy a monochrome display. The switch is complete nonsense. Yes, it would have been nice in some (very very very) rare instances to know what graphics mode you were in, for instance. Or what bank of memory you were in. Mostly from a cracking standpoint I guess. Wow, crazy. I never knew that, or even heard of it. In fact I want to see a source before I believe it :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Derek Peschel wrote: True. I just throw big words into my sentences to make myself seem impressive (sometimes I don't even know what I'm writing and it just happens to work out). Checking with the online thesaurus it is grammatically feasible to say "seminally useless" in the sense I meant it, which is to say it was bunk from the get go. Right. I hadn't thought of that. I suppose a few latchable LEDs hooked into decoders in the address path at the right places might work for that sort of thing, if not kludgily so. Are you coming to VCF this year? I can let you dig around in the magazine boxes until you come across them. Of course, it will probably take you all weekend :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Derek Peschel wrote: Look, I'll let you loose in there, but I just want you to be sure you know what you're getting yourself into ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: SHHHH! You'll clue him in to my plans! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

winD'oh!s has a Dvorak option. I reshuffled one of my removeable cap IBM keyboards for this purpose. Seems to work OK, for short demonstrations at least. It's a safe bet it will reveal some Brave New Bugs if used for longer stretches. John A.