<>That is not an 8E, it a frankenmonster in a 8m crate. < <It was sold by DEC as an 8/E in the short box (granted its the 8/F box but <its the only 8 which I got from the original owner who still had the <paperwork. And on the back on the configuration chart it has the module <list and on the model number plate there is a generic tag market Model 8/_ <with a space that the same person who wrote the module configuration wrote <the letter 'e'. (and of course the front panel says 8/E and it has lamps <not LEDs). Anyway, the point is moot since I've got a long box and still n <hernia I could move the panel over to it :-) the 8m had lamps if the KC8E was installed. Only the 8F had leds. Also