14 Jul
2015
14 Jul
'15
7:53 a.m.
From: Jay Jaeger
I am going to attempt to do the same for IBM's
1410 computer - a really
big effort.
Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM Stretch
(7030); although judged a commercial failure at the time, in retrospect it's
clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs of all time. (In fact, I have
a hard time coming up with other machines with the same level of
impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or the
801?)
Noel
14 Jul
14 Jul
10:04 a.m.
On Jul 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at
mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
CDC 6600, of course.
paul
From: Jay Jaeger
I am going to attempt to do the same for
IBM's 1410 computer - a really
big effort.
Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM Stretch
(7030); although judged a commercial failure at the time, in retrospect it's
clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs of all time. (In fact, I have
a hard time coming up with other machines with the same level of
impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or the
801?) 
11:58 a.m.
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information available to do a
Stretch.
JRJ
On 7/14/2015 6:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
From: Jay
Jaeger
I am going to attempt to do the same for
IBM's 1410 computer - a really
big effort.
Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM Stretch
(7030); although judged a commercial failure at the time, in retrospect it's
clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs of all time. (In fact, I have
a hard time coming up with other machines with the same level of
impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or the
801?)
Noel
12:16 p.m.
Buchholz's 'Planning a Computer System: Project Stretch' is a good start,
but I'd be interested in hearing about any other technical sources that
folks know about. -C
amturing.acm.org/Buchholz_102636426.pdf
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Jay Jaeger <cube1 at charter.net> wrote:
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information
available to do a
Stretch.
JRJ
On 7/14/2015 6:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
really
Stretch
From: Jay
Jaeger
> I am going to attempt to do the same for IBM's 1410 computer - a big
effort.
Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM (7030); although judged a commercial failure at
the time, in retrospect
it's
clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs
of all time. (In fact, I
have
a hard time coming up with other machines with
the same level of
impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or
the
801?)
Noel
12:21 p.m.
yes, but the only software that survives are diagnostic listings.
I tried and gave up trying to get the software from the person who saved
the Livermore Stretch
On 7/14/15 8:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information
available to do a
Stretch.
JRJ
On 7/14/2015 6:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > From: Jay Jaeger
>
> > I am going to attempt to do the same for IBM's 1410 computer - a
really
> > big effort.
>
> Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM Stretch
> (7030); although judged a commercial failure at the time, in retrospect it's
> clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs of all time. (In fact, I have
> a hard time coming up with other machines with the same level of
> impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or the
> 801?)
>
> Noel
>
12:32 p.m.
I have a document that describes how to convert 709 Fortran to
7090-compatible Fortran. Might help imply what you'd need generally when
compared to a 709, using that as a starting point.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
yes, but the only software that survives are
diagnostic listings.
I tried and gave up trying to get the software from the person who saved
the Livermore Stretch
On 7/14/15 8:58 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough
information available to do a
Stretch.
JRJ
On 7/14/2015 6:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > From: Jay Jaeger
>
> > I am going to attempt to do the same for IBM's 1410 computer - a
> really
> > big effort.
>
> Now, the IBM machine you (or someone) should _really_ do is the IBM
> Stretch
> (7030); although judged a commercial failure at the time, in retrospect
> it's
> clearly one of the most ground-breaking designs of all time. (In fact, I
> have
> a hard time coming up with other machines with the same level of
> impact/influence, in terms of CPU internal architecture. Maybe Atlas, or
> the
> 801?)
>
> Noel
>
>
7:47 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Jay Jaeger <cube1 at charter.net> wrote:
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough information
available to do a
Stretch.
There's enough information to develop a architecturally equivalent
system, either in software or hardware, but AFAIK not anywhere near
enough to build a microarchitecture (logic-level) equivalent.
15 Jul
15 Jul
11:49 a.m.
Two sets of ALDs survive at CHM. There was someone working on a simulator who was retyping
the
diagnostics, but I haven't heard anything about that in a LONG time (2011-2012)
On 7/14/15 4:47 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Jay Jaeger <cube1
at charter.net> wrote:
I wonder if there is anywhere near enough
information available to do a
Stretch.
There's enough information to develop a architecturally equivalent
system, either in software or hardware, but AFAIK not anywhere near
enough to build a microarchitecture (logic-level) equivalent.
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