Well, I thought I'd chime in since I'm somewhat of an "expert" on these. As has been thoroughly deduced already, the board in question was an obvious fake. The lack of the copyright message, the font of the lettering, the contour of the PCB traces, and the other more fine details are all dead giveaways. It's obviously and Obtronix clone. The fact that the definitive telltale marks have been washed from the board is damning. I'm sure there's an interesting story behind this either way. With regards to the auction text: "Trophy For 1st place 2002 Vintage Computer & Electronics Faire" If the guy was talking about the Vintage Computer Festival then I don't know what he's talking about. We didn't feature any Apple-1 in the exhibits at VCF 5.0 in 2002. Al said: "I though Sellam knew where all of them were?" I only know where the ones are that I know of :) I am discovering roughly 2 new ones out in the wild every year or so, though I expect that trend to drop off sharply over time as I've already located 42 so far and my research tells me that there are probably (PROBABLY) no more than 50 still in existence. I emphasize "probably" because this number was deduced through research that was not exacting (I can provide details if there's interest). I'm glad the guy had the sense to pull the auction. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]