On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: Well, you had many to choose from. Probably the most popular was Merlin by Roger Wagner. You also had the Apple's EDASM, and there was the LISA Assembler (no relation to the computer), Big Mac Assembler, Assyst, ORCA/M, probably a few others. Then of course there was the Sweet-16 mini-assembler built into the ROMs of the Apple ][ (not ][+ or //e). It finally reappeared in one of the later ]['s, but I can't remember which (the //c+ perhaps?) I did all my coding by poking bytes from the monitor. Its how I learned and its the only way I ever felt comfortable with even though using an assembler would have saved me countless hours. But I never liked any of the assemblers (and I had all the ones I mentioned above). Oooh, boy. I think that would take up several hundred K of information. You need to go out and find the Toolbox reference manuals. I know I have at least one volume, of which I believe there were three or so. He probably is just referring to the amount of memory it has and is clueless enough about the machine that he would call it that. I'm positive its just a plain old C64. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98]