20 Jul
2010
20 Jul
'10
3:57 p.m.
Found the link below this morning, mostly assembly with some Pascal as
to be expected. Hopefully more will show up.
Looks like there's a nice history there as well.
http://www.computerhistory.org/highlights/macpaint/
20 Jul
20 Jul
4:09 p.m.
On 7/20/10, Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
Found the link below this morning, mostly assembly
with some Pascal as
to be expected. Hopefully more will show up.
Looks like there's a nice history there as well.
http://www.computerhistory.org/highlights/macpaint/
Very nice! I was just telling stories about MacPaint (vs MacDraw) to
a co-worker yesterday (as I was helping him convert a Visio drawing
from disconnected entities to linked things that could
be drug around
as connected groups).
Looks like some fun bedtime reading. Thanks for the announcement!
-ethan
4:46 p.m.
I can't seem to access the link. Is there any limitation on the source?
I'd love to see ClarisDraw (aka MacDraw) released as OpenSource and someone
port it to Mac OS X. It is the one classic App I haven't been able to
replace. When I upgrade I'll have to get it running under emulation.
Zane
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Ray Arachelian wrote:
Found the link below this morning, mostly assembly
with some Pascal as
to be expected. Hopefully more will show up.
Looks like there's a nice history there as well.
http://www.computerhistory.org/highlights/macpaint/
4:59 p.m.
On 7/20/10, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
I can't seem to access the link.
It took a long moment to load - perhaps they got Slashdotted? (yes
there's a link, the question is if the traffic is still high because
of it)
I did see something at the top of Paintasm.a that I'm hoping comes
with the right development environment:
.INCLUDE MAC:GRAFTYPES.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:SYSEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:SYSMACS.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:TOOLEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:GRAFEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:TOOLMACS.TEXT
Are there any old-time Mac developers on the list who might remember
what tools/files are needed to turn this code back into a working
binary? I read the Hernia Manuals 26 years ago, but I never really
did much development. Back when it was new, we were evaluating adding
the Mac to our stable of supported machines (Apple II, BBC Acorn,
C-64) at the place where I used to write kids games (Software
Productions) when the bottom dropped out of our market and we folded.
Is there any limitation on the source?
COPYRIGHT.TXT:
Copyright
This Material is Copyright ? 1984 Apple Inc. and is made available
only for non-commercial use.
I'd love to see ClarisDraw (aka MacDraw) released
as OpenSource and someone
port it to Mac OS X. It is the one classic App I haven't been able to
replace.
That would be awesome to have in the modern world.
-ethan
22 Jul
22 Jul
9:44 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I did see something at the top of Paintasm.a that
I'm hoping comes
with the right development environment:
.INCLUDE MAC:GRAFTYPES.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:SYSEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:SYSMACS.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:TOOLEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:GRAFEQU.TEXT
.INCLUDE MAC:TOOLMACS.TEXT
Are there any old-time Mac developers on the list who might remember
what tools/files are needed to turn this code back into a working
binary?
I would guess, given the dates on the files (1983) that they did the
work on a Lisa. Even in
1984 I had to use a Lisa to build code. I can't remember what tools
were used, but
there was an editor, an assembler and a resource compiler which put it
all together. We
did a lot of "sneaker net" with floppies. And we learned to swear at
the 5mb profile disk
drives.
I've never used Think Pascal, but I did use Think C (LightSpeed C) a
lot. I wonder if you could port it
to Think Pascal... I would think you could. Or maybe it would "just
build" using MPW. I doubt it,
however. MPW and the Lisa didn't share much as I recall.
-brad
11:02 a.m.
I've never used Think Pascal, but I did use Think
C (LightSpeed C) a
lot. I wonder if you could port it to Think Pascal... I would think you
could. Or maybe it would "just build" using MPW.
Glancing cursorily, I think MPW would have a fit. The .rsrc file also needs
to be turned into a proper resource fork.
My instinct would be to try to pre-process it. I agree THINK Pascal would be
the logical, closest first target.
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11:14 a.m.
On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Brad Parker wrote:
I would guess, given the dates on the files (1983)
that they did the work on a Lisa. Even in
1984 I had to use a Lisa to build code. I can't remember what tools were used,
but
there was an editor, an assembler and a resource compiler which put it all together. We
did a lot of "sneaker net" with floppies. And we learned to swear at the 5mb
profile disk
drives.
I've never used Think Pascal, but I did use Think C (LightSpeed C) a lot. I wonder
if you could port it
to Think Pascal... I would think you could. Or maybe it would "just build"
using MPW. I doubt it,
however. MPW and the Lisa didn't share much as I recall.
-brad
I had been thinking about this. I was thinking that MPW was a 68020 and greater tool and
that the original compiler came from Motorola or somebody big like that. Any thoughts?
Has anyone just asked Bill Atkinson?
Rob
Rob Borsuk
rborsuk at colourfull.com
5:18 p.m.
Robert Borsuk wrote:
I had been thinking about this. I was thinking that
MPW was a 68020 and greater tool and that the original compiler came from Motorola or
somebody big like that. Any thoughts? Has anyone just asked Bill Atkinson?
It's possible that late releases of MPW might have needed a 68020, but
for a long time it didn't.
AFAICT, Bill Atkinson didn't have anything to do with compilers for MPW,
nor did he use those for developing MacPaint, since they didn't exist
yet. He did all the development on the Lisa. Even after the Mac was
released, for a while there was no good development environment that ran
natively.
Eric
20 Jul
20 Jul
7:33 p.m.
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
Found the link below this morning,
mostly assembly with some Pascal as
to be expected.? Hopefully more will show up.
Looks like there's a nice history there as well.
http://www.computerhistory.org/highlights/macpaint/
Neato. Thank you.
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