12 Mar
2013
12 Mar
'13
1:02 p.m.
You can obtain large cartons from Walmart on the overnight shift. Also Home Depot and
Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately. You can get soft (and hard) foam slabs
from the dumpsters behind large craft stores (Michaels), Pier 1 Imports, Staples (for
those that still have conventional dumpsters). Sometimes cardboard is a better choice for
cushioning material, use your judgment, and it adds weight.
Avoid UPS. Fedex and USPS are much cheaper. But if you use Fedex you need to consider
*ALL* the excessive G-forces your items will be subject to. For heavy and/or bulky items I
wrap wrap wrap the box with cheapo packing tape, dollar store or Wally World, 1$ a roll.
It just makes much more sense then spending 2.50-3.50$ a roll.
12 Mar
12 Mar
1:19 p.m.
Also Home Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on
being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context.
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1:35 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Mouse wrote:
I think it falls under the concept of, "complete failure as a human
being".
g.
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Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context.
1:48 p.m.
On 12 March 2013 17:19, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
It's hate-speech. Short for "homosexual" and used as a generic insult.
His excuse being that his magic sky-pixie tells him to hate gay
people, making both him and his religion loathsome.
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Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context. 
2 p.m.
On 03/12/2013 01:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 12 March 2013 17:19, Mouse <mouse at
rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
It's hate-speech. Short for "homosexual" and used as a generic insult.
His excuse being that his magic sky-pixie tells him to hate gay
people, making both him and his religion loathsome.
I have the same magic sky-pixie. Said sky-pixie doesn't tell ME to
hate gay people. Hating gay people is about PEOPLE, nothing more. Lots
of people use religion to justify all sorts of shitty behavior.
BTW...Religion is not the same as belief. Personally, I have the
latter, but precisely ZERO of the former.
So, please watch yourself, and your assumptions. "Homos" is no more
"hate speech" than "magic sky-pixie", etc.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context.
2:40 p.m.
On 12 March 2013 18:00, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 03/12/2013 01:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
A fair point.
Talking to fundies, I have found that they are by their very nature
incapable of understanding and responding to rational argument -
because the essential nature of fundamentalist belief is irrational,
and therefore, they cannot be reasoned with. However, they are human,
and they can be shocked or startled.
So, for instance, they love their imaginary invisible friend and want
me to love the imaginary friend too. They are incapable of mentally
holding the thought that their imaginary friend does not exist - this
is why many fundies claim that all atheists /secretly/ believe in
their imaginary friend and are just /saying/ that said atheist does
not believe in him/her/it/them.
But if I tell them that I have read their magic book - which I have -
and studied their religion - which I have - and that my considered,
informed opinion is that their imaginary friend is an vindictive,
spiteful, hate-filled and overall evil and that even if I believed in
it - which I do not - that I would not worship it, then that tends to
shut them up.
And since fundies are too conditioned, too brain-washed, or just too
stupid to be persuaded or reasoned with, and since I do not want to
speak to them, hear from them, know anything more about their myths,
or have anything to do with them whatsoever, then shutting them up is
my primary objective.
I have communicated privately with "Chris Tofu". I know him to be a
nasty, bigoted, hate-filled fundamentalist - and really very stupid to
boot. So all I wish to do is shut him up.
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/05/14/cardinal-cormack-murphy-oconn…
... or a criminal:
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21567059-ex-muslim-atheists-are…
So, when they ask me if I respect their views, the answer can only be
that I respect their views exactly as much as they respect mine.
The difference being, of course, that my views are based on evidence,
reason and logic.
I give as I get. I have been called evil, subhuman, a liar, a genocide
and so on. Why then should I be polite? Should I claim to respect
beliefs that I actually despise?
OTOH, I have a handful of deeply religious friends. We both think each
other to be wrong or deluded, but we can have a laugh about it. If one
is capable of having a sense of humour about deeply-held personal
beliefs, or openly discussing such things and not taking the answers
personally, then that person and I will probably get on just fine.
"Chris Tofu" is not so capable. If you are, Dave, then cool, we'll
have no problem.
But I'm not going to lie to you. I am not merely proudly atheist, I am
openly antitheist.
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On 12 March 2013 17:19, Mouse <mouse at
rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
It's hate-speech. Short for "homosexual" and used as a generic insult.
His excuse being that his magic sky-pixie tells him to hate gay
people, making both him and his religion loathsome.
I have the same magic sky-pixie. Said sky-pixie doesn't tell ME to
hate gay people. Hating gay people is about PEOPLE, nothing more. Lots
of people use religion to justify all sorts of shitty behavior.
BTW...Religion is not the same as belief. Personally, I have the
latter, but precisely ZERO of the former.
So, please watch yourself, and your assumptions. "Homos" is no more
"hate speech" than "magic sky-pixie", etc. Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context. 
2:49 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Liam Proven wrote:
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people...
well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so
please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
3:24 p.m.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Liam Proven wrote:
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
- Dave
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious
people... well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else.
3:42 p.m.
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people...
well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else.
4:04 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
Biatch.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people...
well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else. 
4:35 p.m.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:04 PM, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
TECO
TTFN - Guy
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
> As
for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
> not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF YOU,
go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
5:03 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:04 PM, geneb wrote:
The Edit-Fu is strong in this one!
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
TECO
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
>> As for other, less-fundamentalist
religious people... well, according
>> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
>> not share their myth, I am less than human:
>
> ...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
5:39 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Sotomayor
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:35 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS
On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:04 PM, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
TECO
TECO for two please.
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
> As
for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
> not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so
please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand. 
8:55 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, William Donzelli wrote:
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:24:03 -0400
From: William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS
TEdit
Peter Wallace
TECO for two please.
029!
& 083.
--
Will
10:15 p.m.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM, William Donzelli
<wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
I'd have to upgrade (I only have an 026).
I'll see your 029, and raise you a 129. :-)
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
TECO for
two please.
029!
14 Mar
14 Mar
9:12 a.m.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Mike Loewen wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I'm going to wait till you guys start showing off your limestone disks and
begin debating the ideal face angle for your chisels. :)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM, William Donzelli
<wdonzelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd have to upgrade (I only have an 026).
I'll see your 029, and raise you a 129. :-)
TECO for
two please.
029! 
15 Mar
15 Mar
2:51 a.m.
-
On Mar 14, 2013 1:15 PM, "geneb" <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
> TECO for two please.
029!
I'd have to upgrade (I only have an 026).
I'll see your 029, and raise you a 129. :-)
I'm going to wait till you guys start showing off your limestone disks
and begin debating the ideal face angle for your chisels. :)
Well the editor tool box for the Hartree
Differential Analyzer contains a
couple of imperial size Allen keys, an assortment of cogs and some lengths
of half inch shaft.
(it's a mechanical analog computer)
> g.
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management
Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Mike Loewen wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
12 Mar
12 Mar
4:36 p.m.
On 3/12/2013 1:04 PM, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
vi or ed
echo > file
dd with count.
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
Biatch.
g.
> As
for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
> not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers,
so please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand. 
4:39 p.m.
TECO
On 12 March 2013 20:04, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"The Market research says that people love monkeys."
--Wes Craven
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
Biatch.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! >
> As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
> not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so
please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
5:28 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, John Many Jars wrote:
TECO
Editor name duplication, 5 yard penalty.
Top posting, public execution.
Have a nice day!
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
6:07 p.m.
Dave
G4UGM
------ Original Message ------
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: 12/03/2013 20:57:31
Subject: Re: Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
Biatch. XEDIT
(See you all knew I was different to the rest of you and that proves it)
Dave
G4UGM
about here are
those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!! Electric Pencil (Michael Shrayer, not the later Harv
Pennington
versions)
7:53 p.m.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Dave wrote:
Dave
G4UGM
------ Original Message ------
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: 12/03/2013 20:57:31
Subject: Re: Forget UPS was Re: Shipping Heavy/Large Items Via UPS
XEDIT
(See you all knew I was different to the rest of you and that proves it)
SOS (Son Of Stopgap)
TTFN - Guy
> about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few
others. We can all
> be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
WordStar
Non-Document Mode.
Biatch.
6:08 p.m.
EMACS!!!
WordStar [...] 
6:40 p.m.
> What's the big deal? You want to change
something, you pull the
> relevant cards out of the deck, punch replacements, put 'em in, and
> you're done.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Tony Duell wrote:
And there was I thinking you needed a soldering iron
and a box of 1N4148s....
rearranging and/or adding cards in a deck is not the same as
rearranging and/or adding cards in a DEC.
7:22 p.m.
On 2013 Mar 13, at 3:40 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
You're all wrong .. editing is properly accomplished by rearranging
the plugboard wires. Punch cards are for data not programs.
> What's
the big deal? You want to change something, you pull the
> relevant cards out of the deck, punch replacements, put 'em in, and
> you're done.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Tony Duell wrote:
And there was I thinking you needed a soldering
iron and a box of
1N4148s....
rearranging and/or adding cards in a deck is not the same as
rearranging and/or adding cards in a DEC.
14 Mar
14 Mar
5:18 p.m.
> What's the big deal? You want to change
something, you pull the
> relevant cards out of the deck, punch replacements, put 'em in, and
> you're done.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Tony Duell wrote:
And there was I thinking you needed a soldering
iron and a box of 1N4148s....
rearranging and/or adding cards in a deck is not the same as
rearranging and/or adding cards in a DEC. 
8:26 p.m.
On 3/14/2013 5:18 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
True enough, but I am more likely to _modify_ the M792 than replace it.
Hence the box of 1N4148s... (The M792, I hope, is the diode matrix boot ROM).
FWIW, the following conversation (about me) occured between 2 friends of
mine :
"A mad freind of mien has just got a PDP11"
"How can you call _anyone_ with a PDP11 'mad'?"
"Well, he's a few cards short of a full DEC"
-tony
ROFLOL! That is a good one!
Cheers!,
Bryan
12 Mar
12 Mar
4:04 p.m.
* Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> [130312 16:00]:
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
VI!!!!!!
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people...
well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else.
5:39 p.m.
On 12 March 2013 20:41, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
<captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 March 2013 16:04, Todd Goodman <tsg at
bonedaddy.net> wrote:
I had to teach someone how to use VI. All he said, over and over again, was:
"quit laughing"
I can't imagine why. I like laughing.
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"The Market research says that people love monkeys."
--Wes Craven
* Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
[130312 16:00]:
I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome EDT is. On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
EMACS!!!
VI!!!!!! 
7:56 p.m.
On 12 March 2013 17:39, John Many Jars <john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net> wrote:
I had to teach someone how to use VI. All he said,
over and over again, was:
"quit laughing"
I can't imagine why. I like laughing.
I actually quite like VI. Though the RT-11 and RSTS/E versions of EDT
is quite nice.
Cheers.
4:41 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> wrote:
* Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
[130312 16:00]:
VI!!!!!!
Windows!
(there, now I've gone and done it)
On 03/12/2013 03:24 PM, David Riley wrote:
>>> As for other, less-fundamentalist religious people... well, according
>>> to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
>>> not share their myth, I am less than human:
>>
>> ...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers,
so
please, ALL OF YOU, go fight somewhere else.
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
EMACS!!!
7:02 p.m.
> > > Better said than I could have. The
only religions we need to talk
> > > about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
> > > be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
> > EMACS!!!
> VI!!!!!!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Josh Dersch wrote:
Windows!
(there, now I've gone and done it)
Yeah.
THAT was uncalled for.
6 p.m.
copy con
On 12 March 2013 20:45, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
EDT!
--
Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
--------
"The Market research says that people love monkeys."
--Wes Craven
EMACS!!!
VI!!!!!!
3:46 p.m.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, David Riley wrote:
On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Mike Loewen <mloewen
at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> wrote:
Commodore rules, Atari drools! \m/
*laughs*
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Liam Proven wrote:
Better said than I could have. The only religions we need to talk
about here are those of DEC, IBM, HP and a few others. We can all
be polytheists when it comes to our electric sand.
As for other, less-fundamentalist religious
people... well, according
to a number of leading figures from various religions, because I do
not share their myth, I am less than human:
...and all this has exactly NOTHING to do with vintage computers, so please, ALL OF
YOU, go fight somewhere else. 
3:01 p.m.
On 3/12/13 1:40 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
I have communicated privately with "Chris
Tofu". I know him to be a
nasty, bigoted, hate-filled fundamentalist - and really very stupid to
boot. So all I wish to do is shut him up.
Oddly enough, that perfectly describes both my assessment of and my
desire concerning you.
Please stop rationalizing your bigoted spew and shut the fuck up.
Doc
3:04 p.m.
On 03/12/2013 02:40 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
"Fundies" is the brand name of "underwear built for two" that I saw
in
a gag gift store once when I was a teenager. Needless to say, I laughed
aloud when I read this. ;)
So, please
watch yourself, and your assumptions. "Homos" is no more
"hate speech" than "magic sky-pixie", etc.
A fair point.
Talking to fundies, I have found that they are by their very nature
incapable of understanding and responding to rational argument -
because the essential nature of fundamentalist belief is irrational,
and therefore, they cannot be reasoned with. However, they are human,
and they can be shocked or startled. So, for instance, they love their imaginary invisible
friend and want
me to love the imaginary friend too.
I could care less who you do or do not love. I know your beef is with
Mr. Tofu, but painting everyone with so broad a brush is something that
you might reconsider.
They are incapable of mentally
holding the thought that their imaginary friend does not exist - this
is why many fundies claim that all atheists /secretly/ believe in
their imaginary friend and are just /saying/ that said atheist does
not believe in him/her/it/them.
Broad brush, etc. Personally, I examined my own beliefs, as I was
raised with them, and made a conscious decision based on my examination.
And since fundies are too conditioned, too
brain-washed, or just too
stupid to be persuaded or reasoned with, and since I do not want to
speak to them, hear from them, know anything more about their myths,
or have anything to do with them whatsoever, then shutting them up is
my primary objective.
It is not the case that everyone who is not an atheist is
"brainwashed". RELIGIOUS people maybe, but not simply non-atheists.
(Religious people are NUTS...those fuckers start wars and stuff!)
I have communicated privately with "Chris
Tofu". I know him to be a
nasty, bigoted, hate-filled fundamentalist - and really very stupid to
boot. So all I wish to do is shut him up.
You're a pretty hate-filled person yourself, as you detail in this
email. Just sayin'..
...
So, when they ask me if I respect their views, the
answer can only be
that I respect their views exactly as much as they respect mine.
The difference being, of course, that my views are based on evidence,
reason and logic.
You make the assumption that anyone who is not an atheist has no
evidence, reason, nor logic. That is not the case. I (personally) have
my own reasons. They are none of your business, but they are very real,
well-reasoned, have been critically examined, and I'm quite comfortable
with them. You may not reach the same conclusions for your own self,
but that's ok.
I give as I get. I have been called evil, subhuman, a
liar, a genocide
and so on.
Not by me, you haven't. Again, broad brushes..
Why then should I be polite? Should I claim to
respect
beliefs that I actually despise?
Why would you *despise* a belief that you don't even share? That's
not (as you say below) "athiest" or "anti-theist", that's
"anti-theistic
PEOPLE".
"Chris Tofu" is not so capable. If you are,
Dave, then cool, we'll
have no problem.
We'll have no problem either way, as long as you don't slam me for my
beliefs. If you do, you're in for it...because I can just as easily
slam you for yours. I have reasons for my beliefs, just as you do, and
I'm just as prepared to back them up as you are.
So, I believe by definition we have no problem.
But I'm not going to lie to you. I am not merely
proudly atheist, I am
openly antitheist.
That's nice. I'm not. And that's ok.
You are quite militant about your atheism. I respectfully submit that
this is no better than fundamentalist religious nutbags who
automatically hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to THEIR religion,
simply because they don't, and for no other reason. I respectfully
submit that there is absolutely no difference between these two
attitudes, and neither of them makes one fucking bit of sense.
I'm gonna go boot up a PDP-8.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
2:41 p.m.
>>> [...], though Lowes insist on being homos
lately.
>> "homos"? [...]; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense
>> in this context.
> It's hate-speech. Short for "homosexual" and used as a generic
> insult. His excuse being that his magic sky-pixie tells him to hate
> gay people, making both him and his religion loathsome.
Even assuming you're right, that's only a little more loathsome than
dissing others' religions[%] with terms of ridicule (which is how I
read "magic sky-pixie" here).
[%] Whatever _that_ means - see below.
I have the same magic sky-pixie. Said sky-pixie
doesn't tell ME to
hate gay people.
Then - assuming that the quote above is an accurate assessement of why
the word was used in the first place - it's obviously not the same one
after all, no?
BTW...Religion is not the same as belief.
No. But "religion" is a term with almost as many different intended
meanings as there are people using it. I've seen/heard it used to mean
practically everything from "any dogmatically-held belief" to "one of a
small class of widely-popular subsects of the Abrahamic belief systems"
to "any belief in a nonphysical reality". So I'd be very careful
tossing it around in a discussion, especially an acrominous (or
potentially acromonious) discussion, without making it clear which
meaning is intended.
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* On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 05:48:16PM +0000, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
wrote:
On 12 March 2013 17:19, Mouse <mouse at
rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
It's hate-speech.
Hate speech? No, I wouldn't say that. Ignorant and very rude? Yes.
-Seth
Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context. 
8:44 p.m.
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On 12/03/13 1:19 PM, Mouse wrote:
Maybe he means hummus? ...No, that doesn't fit either.
--T
Also Home
Depot and Lowes, though Lowes insist on being homos lately.
"homos"? I'm having trouble thinking what that could possibly mean
here; none of the meanings I've come up with make sense in this context.
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