The classic example is an IC suspended over a PCB by means of the little pieces of #40 wire which connect it to the circuit. They're not always a terrible way to do things, and they've even been blessed by the analog weenies at NatSemi, but their use in modifying or even building circuits intended for some practical use is an abomination. Experimentation, well, OK, but to use it repeatedly? . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <bill(a)chipware.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: RE: Kits vs ready-made (was RE: Rebirth of IMSAI)