6 May
2002
6 May
'02
12:29 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org]
Unix, for years, shipped with a editor nobody could
use
and backspace key that did not work, and seemed rigged
Hmm -- the backspace key has always worked for me, and the
editor, while being not incredibly nice, was useable.
Linux is the first nix i saw that came out of the
install
with a working backspace key and several editors
that a person new to Unix could use.
Obviously, you hadn't been introduced to IRIX or NeXTSTEP.
I credit these two things for its success, no longer
did it have two most fierce deterrents to learning.
I never saw them as real problems. The editor could be
replaced, and if you don't like the way the backspace key
works, you can re-assign it. :)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl
Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
6 May
6 May
5:02 p.m.
New subject: Cryptic Unix Arcana (was: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?)
It was thus said that the Great Christopher Smith once stated:
Maybe now, but not always (and I still come across the occasional
problem). The problem lies with what do you use to back the cursor up one
position and delete the character that is there? BS (ASCII 8)? The proper
definition is to move the cursor left one position; nothing at all about
removing the character there. DEL (ASCII 127)? Again, the proper
definition is a character that is to be ignored (comes from paper tape I
believe, to erase or ignore a character on tape, you punch out all the
holes---thus it being defined as 127).
DEC decided to use DEL to back up one space and delete the character, and
this was carried over by the BSD guys. SysV (from AT&T) seemed to settle on
using BS for this function (as did Microsoft). All through college I was
always having to redefine what my terminal emulation program sent when I hit
the Backspace key or tell Unix what the backspace key is, depending on what
I could and couldn't do at the time.
Heck, even Linux isn't consistent about this---I think the console has
Backspace sending a DEL character, while under X Windows, the Backspace key
is remapped back to BS, while Linux still things DEL is the backspace
character. It might be fixed now in the latest distributions, but I'm not
about to upgrade from RedHat 5.2 for a variety of reasons.
For even more weirdness, I remember using HP-UX 9.x ('96 or '97) and it
using the ``@'' character to erase a line! And here I thought that died out
by Version 6 or 7.
-spc (ASCII has a similar problem with CR and LF ... )
From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org]
Unix, for years, shipped with a editor nobody
could use
and backspace key that did not work, and seemed rigged
Hmm -- the backspace key has always worked for me, and the
editor, while being not incredibly nice, was useable. 
7 May
7 May
7:02 a.m.
New subject: Cryptic Unix Arcana (was: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?)
It was thus said that the Great Christopher Smith once
stated:
Maybe now, but not always (and I still come across the occasional
problem). The problem lies with what do you use to back the cursor up one
position and delete the character that is there? BS (ASCII 8)? The proper
definition is to move the cursor left one position; nothing at all about
removing the character there. DEL (ASCII 127)? Again, the proper
definition is a character that is to be ignored (comes from paper tape I
believe, to erase or ignore a character on tape, you punch out all the
holes---thus it being defined as 127).
DEC decided to use DEL to back up one space and delete the character, and
this was carried over by the BSD guys. SysV (from AT&T) seemed to settle on
using BS for this function (as did Microsoft). All through college I was
always having to redefine what my terminal emulation program sent when I hit
the Backspace key or tell Unix what the backspace key is, depending on what
I could and couldn't do at the time.
Most, if not all Unices have a command "stty" that allow you to tell it what
key to interpret as the deleting backspace (and many other keys). I'm fairly
sure that this command was introduced in v7.
Eric
% stty -a
speed 9600 baud;
rows = 34 columns = 96; ypixels = 446 xpixels = 691
intr = ^c; quit = ^|; erase = ^?; kill = ^u;
eof = ^d; eol = <undef>; eol2 = <undef>; swtch = <undef>;
start = ^q; stop = ^s; susp = ^z; dsusp = ^y;
rprnt = ^r; flush = ^o; werase = ^w; lnext = ^v;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -parext
-ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel
isig icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh
-tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke -defecho -flusho -pendin iexten
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
% stty erase ^H
% stty -a
speed 9600 baud;
rows = 34 columns = 96; ypixels = 446 xpixels = 691
intr = ^c; quit = ^|; erase = ^h; kill = ^u;
eof = ^d; eol = <undef>; eol2 = <undef>; swtch = <undef>;
start = ^q; stop = ^s; susp = ^z; dsusp = ^y;
rprnt = ^r; flush = ^o; werase = ^w; lnext = ^v;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -parext
-ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel
isig icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh
-tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke -defecho -flusho -pendin iexten
opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org]
Unix, for years, shipped with a editor nobody
could use
and backspace key that did not work, and seemed rigged
Hmm -- the backspace key has always worked for me, and the
editor, while being not incredibly nice, was useable.
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