I've been as guilty as others about maintaining OT threads, the recent one about carburetors comes to mind... no one's ever flamed me for it (which is great), but given that many listers want to avoid too much OT stuff, it seemed worth bringing up. Actually, it never really gets very heated here... you should check out alt.sysadmin.recovery, they drummed me right out of there recently for not having a proper sigdash in my posts. For the record, I *do* have a proper sigdash in my posts (but not here); Outlook Express strips the trailing space, and, well, I'm spinning off-topic again... ;-) -dq