18 Nov
2021
18 Nov
'21
4:34 p.m.
Like many, I used an HP 2000 TSB system in high school to first learn
about programming. Wanting to learn more than just BASIC, I soon
discovered there was a program on the system that let you write and run
FORTRAN programs. All these years later I can't remember anything more
than that and haven't seen anything more on it since then until recently.
While clearing out my storage space I came across an old binder with a
photocopy of a manual. Looking though it I soon realized it was from my
high school computer class and described the system for running FORTRAN.
So now I have a name at least and a copy of a manual, but haven't yet
found anything more and hope that someone here might be able to shine
some light and supply more about it.
The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000 FORTRAN and was a "series of
programs written in the BASIC language which run short FORTRAN programs"
on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this before?
Thanks.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
19 Nov
19 Nov
12:35 a.m.
David? ?Yes,? our? ?hp 2000? had? it? that? we? ct? at Computer? Exchange in phx.
?a? FORTRAN? that? was written in Basic? indeed!? it? was? an add on? not? something that?
came? with the hp timeshare? system? ?you had? to procure? from? OMSI.?I have? some old?
store? tapes? that? should? have? the OMSI? FORTRAN in a000 where? we kept? it. but? no?
way? currently? to? get it? off? ?a? we? do not? have? a? tape? drive on a? 2000
system.... there is? fake 200? that? runs? on the? pc? as? an emulator but? ? ?heh!? no?
tape? drive? and? due? to? ?old? company? files and? sp,e of ,my personal? files? ? i
would NOT? loan? the? tape? out.?we? had a massive? bbs? ?system that? ran on the 2000
also? you? could? configure? 100? separate? bbs boards? with their own owners? and? ? set
ups? amazing? at the time. plus? an online? chat? system? with? many levels? of? powers
and super powers on it.?there? was also? a powerful email system? a? voting and polling?
system and? more..? ??this? also? went? over to the? hp 3000 and we? enhanced? it? ?
?even? further???ok? I? will? quit? rambling ...?If? we? ever? ?get? a? way? to? read?
tapes? ? for? the? 2000 and? 3000? i will be able? to get these? back on line? as? well
as? extract? the OMSI FORTRAN?if? you are? not? going to keep the manual we? would? love
it? ?for the SMECC museum's? HP? section in our? Museum Project? here in AZ.?i can be?
reached at couryhouse at aol.com????
In a message dated 11/19/2021 12:28:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:?
Like many, I used an HP 2000 TSB system in high school to first learn about programming.
Wanting to learn more than just BASIC, I soon discovered there was a program on the system
that let you write and run FORTRAN programs. All these years later I can't remember
anything more than that and haven't seen anything more on it since then until
recently.?While clearing out my storage space I came across an old binder with a photocopy
of a manual. Looking though it I soon realized it was from my high school computer class
and described the system for running FORTRAN. So now I have a name at least and a copy of
a manual, but haven't yet found anything more and hope that someone here might be able
to shine some light and supply more about it.?The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000
FORTRAN and was a "series of programs written in the BASIC language which run short
FORTRAN programs" on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this
before??Thanks.?David Williamswww.trailingedge.com
8:05 a.m.
On 11/19/2021 2:35 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
?if? you are? not? going to keep the manual we? would?
love it? ?for the SMECC museum's? HP? section in our? Museum Project? here in AZ.?i
can be? reached at couryhouse at aol.com
Keep in mind it is not the actual manual itself but a photocopy of the
manual in a really old binder. Currently I plan to scan it and post it
up online but after that I don't know what I'll do with the binder and
photocopy.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
9:41 a.m.
Trying to remembrr how many pages it was?Ed#
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:06 AM, David Williams via cctalk<cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 11/19/2021 2:35 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
?if? you are? not? going to keep the manual we? would?
love it? ?for the SMECC museum's? HP? section in our? Museum Project? here in AZ.?i
can be? reached at couryhouse at aol.com
Keep in mind it is not the actual manual itself but a photocopy of the
manual in a really old binder. Currently I plan to scan it and post it
up online but after that I don't know what I'll do with the binder and
photocopy.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
10:42 a.m.
On 11/19/2021 11:41 AM, ED SHARPE wrote:
Trying to remembrr how many pages it was?
Looking through what I have here I'm finding out this is actually more
than one manual. Looks like three so far with each being between about
40-50 pages (single sided photocopies).
First part is just labeled "Section One Standard FORTRAN". The next is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Answer Key and Instructor's Guide" and the third is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Sep 15th, 1973 Manual (Pre-Publication Proof)".
Funny that I was just up in Portland last month and visited OMSI...
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
12:39 p.m.
It looks like I may have the OMNI fortran on "mickey", my publicly accessible
hp2000 tsb system emulation.
telnet to mickey.publicvm.com
ctl-J, ctl-m till you get PLEASE LOG IN
HEL-T001,HP2000,1
I see some kind of cobol on the system library which may or may not be the cobol that was
being talked about...
I do see fortran which does seem to claim to be the OMNI fortran.
Since you have the manuals, feel free to play around.
If you need permissions changed or if it would be easier if the programs/files were put on
a different account, just let me know...I'd be happy to copy/move things around for
you.
-Bob
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Subject: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
On 11/19/2021 11:41 AM, ED SHARPE wrote:
Trying to remembrr how many pages it was?
Looking through what I have here I'm finding out this is actually more than one
manual. Looks like three so far with each being between about
40-50 pages (single sided photocopies).
First part is just labeled "Section One Standard FORTRAN". The next is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Answer Key and Instructor's Guide" and the third is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Sep 15th, 1973 Manual (Pre-Publication Proof)".
Funny that I was just up in Portland last month and visited OMSI...
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
12:56 p.m.
On 11/19/2021 2:39 PM, bbrown314 at comcast.net wrote:
It looks like I may have the OMNI fortran on
"mickey", my publicly accessible hp2000 tsb system emulation.
telnet to mickey.publicvm.com
ctl-J, ctl-m till you get PLEASE LOG IN
HEL-T001,HP2000,1
I see some kind of cobol on the system library which may or may not be the cobol that was
being talked about...
I do see fortran which does seem to claim to be the OMNI fortran.
Since you have the manuals, feel free to play around.
If you need permissions changed or if it would be easier if the programs/files were put
on a different account, just let me know...I'd be happy to copy/move things around for
you.
-Bob
Thanks, I may get on and check that out. But what I'm really interested
in is finding copies to load on my SIMH TSB setup. But I may pop on your
setup and see if it really is as I remember. For now I'm scanning the
manuals.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
21 Nov
21 Nov
12:43 p.m.
For anyone who is interested, I have scanned and posted the OMSI 2000
FORTRAN manuals to archive.org. Will also post them to my site later.
It looks like there are three manuals. The first is missing the front
cover and just starts with "Section 1" but seems to be for students who
are learning to program in FORTRAN with the system. The second is a
guide and answer key for the instructor and the third appears to be for
the system operator.
There seems to be two different versions of OMSI 2000 FORTRAN, one for
TSB B/E and another for TSB C/F which seems to have additional features.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
1:09 p.m.
Thank you very much Dave Ave!Ed#
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On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 1:43 PM, David Williams via cctalk<cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote: For anyone who is interested, I have scanned and posted the
OMSI 2000
FORTRAN manuals to archive.org. Will also post them to my site later.
It looks like there are three manuals. The first is missing the front
cover and just starts with "Section 1" but seems to be for students who
are learning to program in FORTRAN with the system. The second is a
guide and answer key for the instructor and the third appears to be for
the system operator.
There seems to be two different versions of OMSI 2000 FORTRAN, one for
TSB B/E and another for TSB C/F which seems to have additional features.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
19 Nov
19 Nov
2:30 p.m.
Yep if is says omsi fortran you are the lucky holder if a copy of it!? ?Congrats!;Ed#
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM, Bob brown via cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote: It looks like I may have the OMNI fortran on "mickey", my publicly
accessible hp2000 tsb system emulation.
telnet to mickey.publicvm.com
ctl-J, ctl-m till you get PLEASE LOG IN
HEL-T001,HP2000,1
I see some kind of cobol on the system library which may or may not be the cobol that was
being talked about...
I do see fortran which does seem to claim to be the OMNI fortran.
Since you have the manuals, feel free to play around.
If you need permissions changed or if it would be easier if the programs/files were put on
a different account, just let me know...I'd be happy to copy/move things around for
you.
-Bob
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:42 PM
To: ED SHARPE <couryhouse at aol.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
On 11/19/2021 11:41 AM, ED SHARPE wrote:
Trying to remembrr how many pages it was?
Looking through what I have here I'm finding out this is actually more than one
manual. Looks like three so far with each being between about
40-50 pages (single sided photocopies).
First part is just labeled "Section One Standard FORTRAN". The next is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Answer Key and Instructor's Guide" and the third is
"OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Sep 15th, 1973 Manual (Pre-Publication Proof)".
Funny that I was just up in Portland last month and visited OMSI...
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
5:30 a.m.
David wrote...
--------------------------------
The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000 FORTRAN and was a "series of programs
written in the BASIC language which run short FORTRAN programs"
on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this before?
--------------------------------
I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I haven't seen the fortran one yet but
would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my HIB tapes. But I do remember having this
on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There was also a free contributed library COBOL
runtime that was the same deal (implemented in BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that
also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one I'd love to find just to pour through the
listings ?
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
J
8 a.m.
On 11/19/2021 7:30 AM, jwest--- via cctalk wrote:
I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I
haven't seen the fortran one yet but would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my
HIB tapes. But I do remember having this on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There
was also a free contributed library COBOL runtime that was the same deal (implemented in
BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one
I'd love to find just to pour through the listings ?
Ah the COBOL one would be cool too. Would like to get these where I
could at least run then in my SIMH setup sometime. I remembered running
FORTRAN programs back in high school but nothing much else about it.
Glad I at least found a copy of the manual now.
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
I keep hoping that one day you'll decide you need space and I'll be able
to acquire one of your systems and then be able to enjoy my early days
on real hardware again. :D
For now SIMH fills a lot of that though need to figure out how to decode
this box of old paper tapes from high school.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
9:55 a.m.
Yea I do remember hearing of the cobol.? We never had that.... that.
The OMSI FORTRAN did work nut wecwere surecglad when we got the? HP3000. with REAL?
FORTRAN? ON IT!
NOTE? NONE OF THE OMSI? PROGRAMS WERE. NOT PART OF THE HP CONTRIBUTED LIBBARY.
Ed#
?
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:00 AM, David Williams via cctalk<cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote: On 11/19/2021 7:30 AM, jwest--- via cctalk wrote:
I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I
haven't seen the fortran one yet but would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my
HIB tapes. But I do remember having this on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There
was also a free contributed library COBOL runtime that was the same deal (implemented in
BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one
I'd love to find just to pour through the listings ?
Ah the COBOL one would be cool too. Would like to get these where I
could at least run then in my SIMH setup sometime. I remembered running
FORTRAN programs back in high school but nothing much else about it.
Glad I at least found a copy of the manual now.
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
I keep hoping that one day you'll decide you need space and I'll be able
to acquire one of your systems and then be able to enjoy my early days
on real hardware again. :D
For now SIMH fills a lot of that though need to figure out how to decode
this box of old paper tapes from high school.
David Williams
www.trailingedge.com
12:50 p.m.
I think that at least part (maybe all) of the CSL hp2100 assembler might be on my public
mickey hp2000 system.
I see, for example, a program in the system library called ASMB
Which is listed as HPASMB, HP 36806A ASMB part 4 of 4...
Could this be part of what you are looking for?
-Bob
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Subject: RE: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
David wrote...
--------------------------------
The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000 FORTRAN and was a "series of programs
written in the BASIC language which run short FORTRAN programs"
on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this before?
--------------------------------
I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I haven't seen the fortran one yet but
would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my HIB tapes. But I do remember having this
on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There was also a free contributed library COBOL
runtime that was the same deal (implemented in BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that
also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one I'd love to find just to pour through the
listings ?
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
J
3:05 p.m.
Jay have a tape drive. On the system... missing the disk. Some how we lost the 2883 and
2884 drive during business shutdown in 1993.? ?Currently the 2 Bay? system sits under
glass? with a grouping of other early and 80s era HP PC product line.?
?YEA I WOULD WANT TO HAVE ON HAND AN EXTRA PROCESSER TO FOR SPARES.?
??AGE OLD COMPUTER EXCHANGE METHODOLOGY... NEVR START A PROJECT WITHOUT SPARES ON HAND!
Maybe the future? is bringing up a fake 2000 in orig form... a PC? as well as a? 3000.
With a scssi... tape drive? that thinks it can be a 7970b? for 2000 emulation? and 7970e
for 3000 program emulation. ... and just crank both on and emulator...?
But.....? it would? be fun to see the 2000 come alive in some form before I croak? and
turn the keys of the museum to the next gen.Ed#
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:31 AM, jwest--- via cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote: David wrote...
--------------------------------
The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000 FORTRAN and was a "series of programs
written in the BASIC language which run short FORTRAN programs"
on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this before?
--------------------------------
I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I haven't seen the fortran one yet but
would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my HIB tapes. But I do remember having this
on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There was also a free contributed library COBOL
runtime that was the same deal (implemented in BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that
also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one I'd love to find just to pour through the
listings ?
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
J
6:05 p.m.
New subject: Ogle hpq00q0
No. Jay? thought answered this missing disk. A. Hp 2883 20meg 10 platter high nice glass
top could see heads going in and out. Fun!? Also had 2884 slave drive to it. Google hp2000
and smecc for old pix from the 80s.
Would not start? up machines unless I had spare 2100 processor.??
System is on a glassed in area with lots of 80s era hppc related things? my business.?
Computer Exchange sold.Ah the 80s!? It was the time to be in the biz!
Gaint walk in display case but3 very very filled?Last I looked there was acn off brand?
APL LAPTOP? THAT USEF A MICRO CASSETTE FOR MASS STORAGE!would have to clean out and get
real power? and a temp air duct into there?Maybe hp 2000emulator and a scssi tape drive??
?The 3000 tape has converted? versions? and the final. FORUM/3000? but those will not run
on 2000..?And the 2000 I think is the one I get the most request for?
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:31 AM, jwest--- via cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was
memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that
needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory....
J
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