1 Jul
2002
1 Jul
'02
10:29 a.m.
I found a few interesting cards for the Apple ][ the other day.
On it are the markings "Computer Networking Specialists" with a copyright
of 1988. It has two whole chips: a 6116 and a PAL. The remaining
components are three caps, one which has blown. In fact, of all the cards
I found, they all have the same cap blown, in some cases completely
obliterated with only the two leads remaining with only a huge swath of
soot in the path of the explosion. The cap seems to filter the ground
line (it goes from what I believe is the GND pin on the ICs to the ground
plane on the card).
Each computer with the card had a cable with an RJ-45 connector on one end
and a four-pin flat connector on the other protuding from the case. I
found other computers without the card but with the cable. The inside end
of the cable (with the 4-pin connector) was loose. There is no mating
connector on the card for it either.
It seems to me that these computers were part of some network scheme, and
that these cards possibly held some networking firmware. How the cap blew
off the cards is a mystery. I could imagine a power spike coming down the
network cable and damaging the card, but like I said, the cable didn't
plug directly into the card, and I can't imagine the Apple ][ bus passing
along a power surge to the card from the cable. I didn't bother to check
any of the Apple's that I pulled the cards from to see if they were
working.
Anyway, anyone have any knowledge of these?
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4:01 p.m.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
But I'm still trying to figure out where the cable went to. Unless there
was a second board in another slot involved, I can't figure out how it
connected to the computer.
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With those chip, all it can be is a 2K RAM card (with
the PAL used as an
address decoder/chip select generator). My guess is that it maps into the
2K shared ROM space for Apple ][ I/O cards.
Yep.
Could it be between the +5V line and ground? Could it
be nothing more
than a decoupling capacitor? Tantalum caps do sometimes explode for no
good reason, although to find several boards where this has happened
would be unusual.
It was a very cursory examination. It very well may have been between +5
and Ground. I didn't look up any of the chips in a reference because I
didn't have the time.
It seems to me
that these computers were part of some network scheme, and
that these cards possibly held some networking firmware. How the cap blew
Yes, they probably held the netork drivers, loaded from disk when the
machine booted.
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9:19 a.m.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
That's what I assumed from the beginning, but I realize I failed to
mention that in my initial message.
Wel, on the 6116 and also on every PAL I've come
across, the +5V pin is
the highest numbered one. The ground pin is the diagonally-opposite one
(pin 12 on the 6116).
Ok, then it looks like it is filtering between +5 and Ground.
But I'm
still trying to figure out where the cable went to. Unless there
was a second board in another slot involved, I can't figure out how it
connected to the computer.
Is there any reason to assume that there wasn't a second board? It seems
quite likely to me. Somewhere I have parts of what I think is some kind
of shared hard disk
system for Apple ][s. I have one card that seems to contain the host
adapter circuitry (and has a connector to go to the hard disk box) and
another card that contains a firmware ROM (and not much else) which I
believe allows a diskless Apple ][ to boot from the hard disk. I know
_nothing_ about it (I got those boards in a pile of 'junk' that also
included a lot of Apple ][ 80 col cards, a Z80 Softcard, serial cards,
EPROM programmer cards, and a couple of things that weren't even related
to the Apple ][ (A user I/O card -- PIOs and CTC for the RML 380Z...)
All of the Apple //e's I pulled the card from also had a disk controller,
some with drives still attached. I would love to find out eventually what
this was. There may well have been a card in slot 7 that the cable
plugged in to, which the computer would then boot from. The card I pulled
was in slot 2 of all the computers. If it was in slot 3 then I might
imagine it would take over when the computer booted. On the other hand, I
didn't have a lot of time when I was pulling these so I didn't pay close
attention.
One of the boards has a cap that is still identifiable. I'll repair one
of these and experiment with it in different slots to see what it does
(when I have time).
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7 Jul
7 Jul
10:05 a.m.
Probably some yo-yo plugged it into a telco outlet and the first time the
phone rang, ZAP! 50volts DC to fry the hardware ;-)
Curt
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Subject: Interesting Apple ][ card
I found a few interesting cards for the Apple ][ the other day.
On it are the markings "Computer Networking Specialists" with a copyright
of 1988. It has two whole chips: a 6116 and a PAL. The remaining
components are three caps, one which has blown. In fact, of all the cards
I found, they all have the same cap blown, in some cases completely
obliterated with only the two leads remaining with only a huge swath of
soot in the path of the explosion. The cap seems to filter the ground
line (it goes from what I believe is the GND pin on the ICs to the ground
plane on the card).
Each computer with the card had a cable with an RJ-45 connector on one end
and a four-pin flat connector on the other protuding from the case. I
found other computers without the card but with the cable. The inside end
of the cable (with the 4-pin connector) was loose. There is no mating
connector on the card for it either.
It seems to me that these computers were part of some network scheme, and
that these cards possibly held some networking firmware. How the cap blew
off the cards is a mystery. I could imagine a power spike coming down the
network cable and damaging the card, but like I said, the cable didn't
plug directly into the card, and I can't imagine the Apple ][ bus passing
along a power surge to the card from the cable. I didn't bother to check
any of the Apple's that I pulled the cards from to see if they were
working.
Anyway, anyone have any knowledge of these?
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11:09 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
True, 90VAC on the ring cycle. In the off-hook you have 48VDC (nominal)
at 20mA.
At any rate, the jack on the end was RJ45, so it wouldn't have been easy
for someone to plug it into a phone jack, but I'm sure a determined idiot
could manage :)
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Probably some yo-yo plugged it into a telco
outlet and the first time the
phone rang, ZAP! 50volts DC to fry the hardware ;-)
I get 90 volts AC at 20 Hz 
11:27 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
True, 90VAC on the ring cycle. In the off-hook you
have 48VDC
(nominal) at 20mA.
At any rate, the jack on the end was RJ45, so it wouldn't have been
easy for someone to plug it into a phone jack, but I'm sure a
determined idiot could manage :)
I've seen damaged network cards and network gear where someone plugged a
RJ11-RJ11 cord from an analog phone system into the RJ45. I've also seen
damage caused the same way by commercial phone systems, which used RJ45
connectors.
-Toth
11:37 a.m.
I've seen damaged network cards and network gear
where someone plugged a
RJ11-RJ11 cord from an analog phone system into the RJ45. I've also seen
damage caused the same way by commercial phone systems, which used RJ45
connectors.
I was with a guy who was testing out LAN drops with a laptop
to see which ones were working and we went into a conference room
where none of the drops were labeled and due to painting and such you
couldn't tell the difference between them and the phone lines, which
were for a multiline system with intercom and all the other goodies.
He plugged the laptop up to what ended up being one of the phone
jacks and there was a nice shower of sparks. Somehow the laptop cmae
out of it without any damage.
Jeff
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11 Jul
9:31 p.m.
I was with a guy who was testing out LAN drops with a
laptop
to see which ones were working and we went into a conference room
where none of the drops were labeled and due to painting and such you
couldn't tell the difference between them and the phone lines, which
were for a multiline system with intercom and all the other goodies.
He plugged the laptop up to what ended up being one of the phone
jacks and there was a nice shower of sparks. Somehow the laptop cmae
out of it without any damage.
Strange, a 10baseT/100baseT Ethernet interface should be able withstand
telephone voltages (even ringing), even if the jack has them wired to the
data pairs. Even if it sustained damage, there should not have been any
sparks.
12 Jul
12 Jul
8:11 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Eric Smith wrote:
Strange, a 10baseT/100baseT Ethernet interface should
be able
withstand telephone voltages (even ringing), even if the jack has them
wired to the data pairs. Even if it sustained damage, there should
not have been any sparks.
Many of those commercial/digital phone systems often have 24VAC or
something similar available to power the phone on one of the pairs. Most
of them also have quite a bit of current available. I've seen a few cable
pair testers loose their magic smoke due to those types of phone systems.
-Toth
8:44 a.m.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Eric Smith wrote:
100BT Ethernet coupling transformers should easily be able to
withstand most faults from a telephone line, since they typically have less
than .2 Ohms dc resistance. That makes it hard to dissipate much power in the
transformer unless you have much more than 1A available. 10BT transformers
with a common mode choke are around 1 ohm so your 24 vac power would probably
damage them, though normal telephone line current would not...
As far as damaging the rest of the circuitry goes that depends on
whether the PHY can take the 48V ~1 usec spikes resulting from connection the
isolation transformer input to one (or many) 48V steps as the connectors are
mated...
Peter Wallace
Strange, a 10baseT/100baseT Ethernet interface
should be able
withstand telephone voltages (even ringing), even if the jack has them
wired to the data pairs. Even if it sustained damage, there should
not have been any sparks.
Many of those commercial/digital phone systems often have 24VAC or
something similar available to power the phone on one of the pairs. Most
of them also have quite a bit of current available. I've seen a few cable
pair testers loose their magic smoke due to those types of phone systems.
-Toth
5:18 p.m.
"Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> wrote:wrote:
As far as damaging the rest of the circuitry goes
that depends on
whether the PHY can take the 48V ~1 usec spikes resulting from
connection the isolation transformer input to one (or many) 48V steps
as the connectors are mated...
A well-designed Ethernet card has some Zener diodes for protection against
that. I suppose there are probably plenty of poorly designed cards out
there, though.
13 Jul
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12 Jul
12 Jul
8:48 a.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I'm looking for anyone that worked at Digital Research in 83-85 that may
have been part of the "Monterey Group" that ported GEM over to the Atari ST
computers?
I'm also looking for anyone from DRI that accompanied Gary Kildall up to
Grass Valley, CA. to Cyan Engineering's labs. They were owned by Atari
under Warner Comm. From what I've been told Gary Kildall and a group of
DRI engineers travelled up to Grass Valley to disconnect and remove the VAX
11/730 or 750, not sure which. It was payment from Atari to DRI for the GEM
porting work. I've gotten one person's account, but I need to confirm this
with a 2nd witness before I can publish this onto the atarimuseum.com
website as fact, thanks.
Curt
2:41 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I'm also looking for anyone from DRI that
accompanied Gary Kildall
up to Grass Valley, CA. to Cyan Engineering's labs...
For that matter I'm intertested in just about Any stories on DRI, from
any period. There aren't too many books published on them that I've
seen, and no book published _entirely_ on the subject of DRI.
and not one entry in Levy's 'Hackers', geesh.
John A.
3:11 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I wasn't an employee, but I worked with the GEM developers a bit in '85
while writing a GEM app. I still have a list of names in my Rolodex that
you might be able to follow up on:
Raimund Pohl, Germany
Tony Harris, UK
Rob LaTulipe, US
Don Heiskell, US
Lee Lorenzen, US
Chris Lusby-Taylor, UK
While googling for some of those names, I came across
http://www.maxframe.com/DREMAIL1.HTM; most of these people have email
addresses listed there.
Jim
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To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I'm looking for anyone that worked at Digital
Research in 83-85 that may
have been part of the "Monterey Group" that ported GEM over to the Atari
ST
computers?
3:36 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
Jim,
This is great, that you very much... this is a big help and I agree with
John... I think it is WAY overdue to read an in-depth book on the history
of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates should foot
the bill, he owes all his wealth and fame to Gary!
Curt
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To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
I wasn't an employee, but I worked with the GEM
developers a bit in '85
while writing a GEM app. I still have a list of names in my Rolodex that
you might be able to follow up on:
Raimund Pohl, Germany
Tony Harris, UK
Rob LaTulipe, US
Don Heiskell, US
Lee Lorenzen, US
Chris Lusby-Taylor, UK
While googling for some of those names, I came across
http://www.maxframe.com/DREMAIL1.HTM; most of these people have email
addresses listed there.
Jim
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From: "Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atari-history.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I'm looking for anyone that worked at Digital
Research in 83-85 that may
have been part of the "Monterey Group" that ported GEM over to the Atari
ST
computers?
4:01 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
From: "Curt Vendel"
<curt(a)atari-history.com>
Jim,
This is great, that you very much... this is a big help and I agree
with
John... I think it is WAY overdue to read an in-depth
book on the history
of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates should
foot
the bill, he owes all his wealth and fame to Gary!
You're welcome. Thinking back, I'm not sure which of those people were
sales or application engineers and which were developers. I'm pretty sure
than Lee Lorenzen was the GEM lead developer.
Jim
4:32 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary
Kildall... Bill Gates should foot
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
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and Gates should pay for it!!! ;-)
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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
> of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates should
foot
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
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7:34 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
and Gates should pay for it!!! ;-)
Do you really want billG involved in it??????
You won't be able to get his money without his participation!
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
If it will help anybody, I have an off the air tape of the Computer
Chronicles eulogy of Kildall. It consists of 1/2 hour or so of interviews
with his friends. NO real attempt to be objective about some issues.
For example: how many people here think that it is appropriate business
behavior (besides wanting to do it as a statement!) to blow off IBM "in
order to deliver some documentation to Oakland". Yeah, right. The head of
the company can't send a courier or employee, and has to miss the meeting
in order to deliver documentation?!?
NOTE: I have my students discuss whether it was the stupidest move evewr
made, or the bravest. - "how many of you would like to thumb your nose at
IBM and tell them to wait their turn in line?" "But would that be worth
$40 billion to you?"
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7:45 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
NOTE: I have my students discuss whether it was the
stupidest move evewr
made, or the bravest. - "how many of you would like to thumb your nose at
IBM and tell them to wait their turn in line?" "But would that be worth
$40 billion to you?"
Bill Gates kowtowing to IBM could have been seen as him selling himself to
the Devil. But in fact it was more like Billy stealing the Devil's soul.
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7:56 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Bill Gates kowtowing to IBM could have been seen as
him selling himself to
the Devil. But in fact it was more like Billy stealing the Devil's soul.
"Bill Gates and the Devil entered into negotiations. The devil is still
trying to figure out how he ended up signing over his soul to Gates."
- inaccurate quote from a John Dvorak column?
13 Jul
13 Jul
7:01 a.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
Very well put Sellam!
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Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
> NOTE: I have my students discuss whether it was the stupidest move
evewr
> made, or the bravest. - "how many of you
would like to thumb your nose
at
IBM and tell
them to wait their turn in line?" "But would that be worth
$40 billion to you?"
Bill Gates kowtowing to IBM could have been seen as him selling himself to
the Devil. But in fact it was more like Billy stealing the Devil's soul.
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9:15 a.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I vaguely recall a biography of Kildall--might have been just a section of a
book. Let me do some digging.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
> of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates should
foot
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
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12:44 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I think it was it Red Herring or Upside that did a 5+ page bio...it
covered the time up to his death...pretty tragic, he never came to terms
with Bill Gates and turned to being alcoholic. He is one guy I would
have liked to meet (along with a few others - including Woz/Jobs/Gates).
Follow up: Found it!
http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=34712c0d2f
Nice picture:
http://webdomain.batnet.com/portrayals/kildall.html
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Michael Nadeau
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:05 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
I vaguely recall a biography of Kildall--might have been just a section
of a
book. Let me do some digging.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
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To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:27 PM
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
> of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates
should
foot
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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3:31 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
Yes. That's it, although I had remembered it as being longer.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)attbi.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: Any DRI employees out there???
I think it was it Red Herring or Upside that did a 5+
page bio...it
covered the time up to his death...pretty tragic, he never came to terms
with Bill Gates and turned to being alcoholic. He is one guy I would
have liked to meet (along with a few others - including Woz/Jobs/Gates).
Follow up: Found it!
http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=34712c0d2f
Nice picture:
http://webdomain.batnet.com/portrayals/kildall.html
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Nadeau
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:05 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
I vaguely recall a biography of Kildall--might have been just a section
of a
book. Let me do some digging.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
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To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Any DRI employees out there???
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
> of Digital "Galactic" Research and Gary Kildall... Bill Gates
should
foot
Intergalactic Digital Research
I third the motion...we need a book on DRI and Kildall.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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12 Jul
12 Jul
4:05 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
While googling for some of those names, I came
across http://www.maxframe.com/DREMAIL1.HTM ...
Yeow! Great site, especially the memorials,
http://www.maxframe.com/DR.HTM . Thanks Jim!
John A.
6:14 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
Check out, I think, "Accidental Empires" by Robert X. Cringely. ISTR
there's some great stuff in there about DRI, among other companies
(like Sierra OnLine, to name one)
-ethan
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6:35 p.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I could put you in touch with a guy I used to work with Bill O'Connell.
He was the VP of Sales for SystemSoft when I worked with him. I
remember him telling me about Gary Kildall (personal stuff, an account
of the IBM NDA issue etc.). I believe he was trying to sell DRI GEM to
Leading Edge (clone mfg) where I was working....I was very impressed
with GEM compared to Windows 1.0. Comparing the two was my first
project back in 1985. He left DRI to go to Phoenix Technologies.
-Chandra
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From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Curt Vendel
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:46 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Any DRI employees out there???
I'm looking for anyone that worked at Digital Research in 83-85 that may
have been part of the "Monterey Group" that ported GEM over to the Atari
ST
computers?
I'm also looking for anyone from DRI that accompanied Gary Kildall up to
Grass Valley, CA. to Cyan Engineering's labs. They were owned by Atari
under Warner Comm. From what I've been told Gary Kildall and a group
of
DRI engineers travelled up to Grass Valley to disconnect and remove the
VAX
11/730 or 750, not sure which. It was payment from Atari to DRI for the
GEM
porting work. I've gotten one person's account, but I need to confirm
this
with a 2nd witness before I can publish this onto the atarimuseum.com
website as fact, thanks.
Curt
16 Jul
16 Jul
9:17 a.m.
New subject: Any DRI employees out there???
What about John(?) Pierce? He was supposed to be DRI employee #3. I don't have his
address but he has a large on-line computer museum so he should be easy to find.
Joe
I'm also looking for anyone from DRI that accompanied Gary Kildall up to
Grass Valley, CA. to Cyan Engineering's labs. They were owned by Atari
under Warner Comm. From what I've been told Gary Kildall and a group
of
DRI engineers travelled up to Grass Valley to disconnect and remove the
VAX
11/730 or 750, not sure which. It was payment from Atari to DRI for the
GEM
porting work. I've gotten one person's account, but I need to confirm
this
with a 2nd witness before I can publish this onto the atarimuseum.com
website as fact, thanks.
Curt
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