8 Apr
1998
8 Apr
'98
4:10 a.m.
I object to the use of the Classic Computer mailing list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit. I consider the use of this
list in this way akin to dropping advertising leaflets in my mailbox, or
ringing me up and asking if I want to buy insurance.
Surely, the newsgroups and eBay, etc., are an appropriate place for regular
sales?
A mailing list dealing with the preservation of classic computers is not.
Cheers
A
8 Apr
8 Apr
4:41 a.m.
I disagree. As long as the stuff being advertised is within the realm
of classic computers it's appropriate to advertise it here and it is
permitted by the guidelines for this mail list. I for one don't have the
time to sort through all of the GARBAGE in the news-groups.
The one thing that does piss me off is when people sell stuff on one of
the high cost services like E-bay but place ads for it here. But I must
admit that I've done it too.
My $0.02 worth,
Joe
At 11:10 PM 4/8/98 +1000, you wrote:
I object to the use of the Classic Computer mailing
list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit. I consider the use of this
list in this way akin to dropping advertising leaflets in my mailbox, or
ringing me up and asking if I want to buy insurance.
Surely, the newsgroups and eBay, etc., are an appropriate place for regular
sales?
A mailing list dealing with the preservation of classic computers is not.
Cheers
A
4:46 p.m.
Joe wrote:
The one thing that does piss me off is when people
sell stuff on one of
the high cost services like E-bay but place ads for it here. But I must
admit that I've done it too.
I would disagree with this as part of the continuing education in any
collectable field is having some idea of what the market value is, and ebay
certainly provides some guidance in that regard!
5:20 a.m.
Andrew Davie wrote:
I object to the use of the Classic Computer mailing
list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit. I consider the use of this
list in this way akin to dropping advertising leaflets in my mailbox, or
ringing me up and asking if I want to buy insurance.
Surely, the newsgroups and eBay, etc., are an appropriate place for regular
sales?
A mailing list dealing with the preservation of classic computers is not.
Is someone making profit on this old junk? I'd like to know who so I can find
out how they do it.
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5:25 a.m.
Andrew Davie wrote:
I object to the use of the Classic Computer mailing
list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit. I consider the use of this
Isn't this your message about being a buyer?
"I would note that I have already claimed these items, about a week ago, but
the Olivetti things are still available. Thanks, Sam, for the heads-up."
How do you know if someone doesn't post it? I'm sure if you had an obscure
machine without manuals or support equipment you'd be willing to see any and
all messages concerning those items for sale, free, trade, etc in mass
quantity. There are no formal businesses posting items that aren't within the
10 yr period such as the new systems for sale that get mass posted in the
newsgroups, along with the porno site mail.
If you aren't interested just say "delete". That's all.
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RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/
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* Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
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5:34 a.m.
Tim Shoppa wrote:
Thank you. I have a feeling that Andrew was just having a "bad mail day" and
needed an outlet to blow off a little steam about my posts for equipment I
occasionally swap for or buy to be able to lend a hand to those looking for them
in this area. I could just as easily trade and buy parts I need for my direct
part time at-home business and forget about the HP's, Suns, IMSAI's, S/36's,
etc
as these take up a lot of valuable space here as it is. If I get the unit for
free I generally go for shipping only or a few bucks to make it worthwhile to box
and haul it.
I'm sure anyone else that has stuff does the same. What would a ham radio group
be without swaps and sales? This is equivelant to the same idea.
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Russ Blakeman
RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/
ICQ # 1714857
* Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
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I object to
the use of the Classic Computer mailing list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit.
I would object, too, but most of the postings I see have no "obvious"
profit in them. (In particular, items are being sold for a couple
percent of their original sale price, and the "asking prices" honestly
barely cover the effort of packing them up securely and safely.)
*Most* of the "for-sale" posts I read are just trying to find good homes
for equipment - a goal that I can truly appreciate, as I just had to
throw away about 5 tons of old iron before my last move. 
10:41 a.m.
Andrew Davie wrote:
I object to the use of the Classic Computer mailing list for advertising
for-sale items on an ongoing basis for profit. I consider the use of this
list in this way akin to dropping advertising leaflets in my mailbox, or
ringing me up and asking if I want to buy insurance.
Surely, the newsgroups and eBay, etc., are an appropriate place for regular
sales?
A mailing list dealing with the preservation of classic computers is not.
Cheers
A
Hi Andrew:
As is usualy the case with comments of thi sort, you ARE right, BUT!!!!
I have seen at least a few of the 'sale lists' where the stated reason
for posting to this list, was to give the 'listmembers' a 'first crack'
at the items.
It's also pertinant _what_ is being offered for sale, Complete and
operational systems, will probably do great on one of the 'aution'
sites. Random repair pieces, odd boards, documentation, weird software,
doesn't stand much of a chance of finding anyone who even knows what is
being offered, if not posted here.
Now, as far as I'm concerned, these ARE valid reasons for posting to the
list. It then becomes a matter of 'reasonableness' as to how much, and
how frequently. And that is something that is going to have to be left
up to the individual doing the posting. _UNLESS_ the rules are changed
to specify NO SALE items AT ALL, EVER.
I don't think that the list has gotten so large or congested as to have
to even consider going that route.
Now your voicing of an opinion, will give others a basis for considering
what they do, This opinion will also enter into their decision as to
WHAT route to take.
Chuck
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4:32 p.m.
Van Burnham wrote:
xoxo van
Heh, I agreed completely with your stance on for sale posts above, but
then you went waaaaay overboard with the following statements:
ps...Upon reading the thread regarding the
justification in
maintaining "modifications" made to a 128K Mac, I was reminded of a
nightmare I witnessed at a vids auction. It appears someone had
decided that it would be considerably more "state-of-the-art" to play
something new instead of a slow-ass game called Computer Space...and
proceeded to destroy the original board and monitor casing in order to
convert the sleek fiberglass metalflake cabinet to play Pac-Man
instead. I don't see why defacing a classic Mac (or "Frankentosh" as
they say) should be regarded as any less horriffic. Am I totally off
here? Anyone?
Well, there are two huge differences: first, the Mac was designed and
sold as a utilitarian instrument, and its usage was *enhanced*, not
inhibited by the modifications described; and second, near-mint
condition ones are fairly easy to find at $5-to-$20 in most parts of the
civilized world, and it is highly doubtful that it will ever be as hard
to find as a Computer Space. There is no room for a "preserve
everything in original condition" policy. You have to draw the line
somewhere and accept, even encourage a bit of hacking/defacing in order
to get more out of what we already have, before building still more.
The upgrade of that Mac, in my book is a great example of that. Now, a
Nutting Computer Space is a horse of a different color. I won't go into
a bunch of reasons here, but I'm sure most on this list would agree that
the first ever coin-operated video game should not be converted to
Pac-Man or anything else.
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van＠wired.com