30 Jun
2004
30 Jun
'04
6 a.m.
The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up and fully in sync with Al's
site now. You can access it via http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
Jay
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30 Jun
30 Jun
6:14 a.m.
Jay,
What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to
implement something to do that to the mirror that I'm
maintaining.
Thanks,
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up and
fully in sync with
Al's
site now. You can access it via
http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
Jay
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6:32 a.m.
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 10:14, Ashley Carder wrote:
Jay,
What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to
implement something to do that to the mirror that I'm
maintaining.
Probably mirror:
http://bio-mirror.net:8081/Bio-mirror/biomirror/software/mirror-info.txt
However, I'd recommend rsync over mirror if you can use it. I haven't
used mirror as much as rsync, but I've never had a problem with rsync.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
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The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up
and fully in sync
with
Al's
> site now. You can access it via http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
>
> This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
>
> Jay
>
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6:36 a.m.
Patrick wrote....
However, I'd recommend rsync over mirror if you
can use it. I haven't
used mirror as much as rsync, but I've never had a problem with rsync.
I am a big rsync fan. However, rsync is a bad choice for this for two
reasons....
1) rsync requires rsync to be installed on both sides. For various reasons
rsync is unlikely to be installed on bitsavers. But more importantly...
2) rsync works it's magic and speed savings by copying only the bits inside
each file which have changed. That is unlikely to be of any help when you
are dealing with static pdf files. If the file changes, it changes as a
whole, not just a portion of the file (unlike source code, html documents,
etc.).
Jay West
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6:42 a.m.
Do you have a link for rsync?
- A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 10:14, Ashley Carder wrote:
Jay,
What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to
implement something to do that to the mirror that I'm
maintaining.
Probably mirror:
http://bio-mirror.net:8081/Bio-mirror/biomirror/software/mirror-info.txt
However, I'd recommend rsync over mirror if you can use it. I haven't
used mirror as much as rsync, but I've never had a problem with rsync.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
--
Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up
and fully in sync
with
Al's
> site now. You can access it via http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
>
> This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
>
> Jay
>
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6:44 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 11:42:30AM -0400, Ashley Carder wrote:
Do you have a link for rsync?
http://rsync.samba.org
Dan
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We call our dog Egypt, because in every room he leaves a pyramid.
6:46 a.m.
>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick
Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> writes:
Patrick> On Wednesday 30 June 2004 10:14, Ashley Carder wrote:
> Jay,
>
> What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to implement
> something to do that to the mirror that I'm maintaining.
Patrick> Probably mirror:
Patrick> http://bio-mirror.net:8081/Bio-mirror/biomirror/software/mirror-info.txt
Patrick> However, I'd recommend rsync over mirror if you can use it.
Patrick> I haven't used mirror as much as rsync, but I've never had a
Patrick> problem with rsync.
rsync is great. wget works, too.
paul
7:23 a.m.
It was written.....
rsync is great. wget works, too.
Again, do not use rsync for mirroring static documents. It's whole claim to
fame is totally defeated in that environment.
Rsync is an incredible tool. But it's NOT the tool for that job.
Jay West
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6:32 a.m.
I use fmirror
If you are using freebsd and have the ports collection installed, just do
the following:
cd /usr/ports/ftp/fmirror
make;make install
Otherwise download the distribution. Linux RPM's exist as well as generic
source tarballs... google is your friend.
Then create a fmirror.conf file (mine is in /usr/local/etc) similar to...
username: whateverusernameAlgaveyou
password: whateveryourpasswordis
host: www.bitsavers.org
remotedir: /Users/aek/web/bitsavers/pdf
localdir: /pathtowhereveryourmirrordirectoryis
exclude: f
^(\.in\.|\.mirror|core$|MIRROR\.LOG|\.notar|\.message)
exclude: f ^(\.cache|\.zipped|lost\+found|Network Thrash
Folder)
Then put a line in crontab to run it periodically such as:
0 2 * * * root /usr/local/bin/fmirror -f
/usr/local/etc/fmirror.conf
Try to stay away from 2am CDT, thats my timeslot :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Carder" <wacarder(a)usit.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
Jay,
What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to
implement something to do that to the mirror that I'm
maintaining.
Thanks,
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
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The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up
and fully in sync with
Al's
site now. You can access it via
http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
Jay
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6:48 a.m.
Don't shoot me!!! *hides behind large steel wall*
I run my web server / ftp server on Windows 2000 and IIS.
I'll hunt for something that I can use on my server.
How long does it take your mirroring to run on a typical day?
I assume it checks for new / changed / deleted(?) files and pulls only
those.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
I use fmirror
If you are using freebsd and have the ports collection installed, just do
the following:
cd /usr/ports/ftp/fmirror
make;make install
Otherwise download the distribution. Linux RPM's exist as well as generic
source tarballs... google is your friend.
Then create a fmirror.conf file (mine is in /usr/local/etc) similar to...
username: whateverusernameAlgaveyou
password: whateveryourpasswordis
host: www.bitsavers.org
remotedir: /Users/aek/web/bitsavers/pdf
localdir: /pathtowhereveryourmirrordirectoryis
exclude: f
^(\.in\.|\.mirror|core$|MIRROR\.LOG|\.notar|\.message)
exclude: f ^(\.cache|\.zipped|lost\+found|Network Thrash
Folder)
Then put a line in crontab to run it periodically such as:
0 2 * * * root /usr/local/bin/fmirror -f
/usr/local/etc/fmirror.conf
Try to stay away from 2am CDT, thats my timeslot :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Carder" <wacarder(a)usit.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
Jay,
What do you use to keep your mirror in sync? I need to
implement something to do that to the mirror that I'm
maintaining.
Thanks,
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
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The mirror at classiccmp of bitsavers.org is up
and fully in sync with
Al's
site now. You can access it via
http://www.classiccmp.org/bitsavers
This mirror is updated once a day at 2am CDT.
Jay
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7:28 a.m.
Don't shoot me!!! *hides behind large steel
wall*
I run my web server / ftp server on Windows 2000 and IIS.
You have NO idea how bad
I am gritting my teeth and holding back.
I'll hunt for something that I can use on my
server.
Google for "windows ftp mirror", or better yet, search
"download.com" and
you'll find something. Make sure to select the "freeware" filter setting,
otherwise you may get a suprise in a month or so.
How long does it take your mirroring to run on a
typical day?
Couldn't tell you ... yet... because I just got the sync up last
night. But
I'm sure it all depends on how much time Al had that particular day to scan
stuff :)
I assume it checks for new / changed / deleted(?)
files and pulls only
those.
I have some very serious bandwidth, and even I would surely not attempt to
pull everything every night, unchanged or not. So... yes, it does check for
changes only.
fmirror is configurable, much moreso than most mirror software I've seen for
strategies as to what to update.
Jay West
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8:28 a.m.
You wrote....
Don't shoot me!!! *hides behind large steel
wall*
I run my web server / ftp server on Windows 2000 and IIS.
I won't shoot you... as long as you're not trying to provide public content
on an asymetric connection like DSL or cable modem. In that case, your users
might if outbound is 128k :)
Jay
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8:40 a.m.
>> I won't shoot you... as long as you're
not trying to
>> provide public content on an asymetric connection like DSL
>> or cable modem. In that case, your users might if outbound
>> is 128k :)
Not only that, but it is a violation of most of the TOS agreements. The
local cable company [Long Island CableVision] just went on a spree shutting
down anyone who had ports 21 [FTP], 80 [HTTP] and a bunch more open! If the
content appeared to be "business" related, the users were sent a bill for a
retroactive "commercial" upgrade [this is still being fought!]
8:59 a.m.
I've always run small scale web sites, FTP sites, etc., and never had
any complaints. I've talked to the local folks at the cable company and
they said it wasn't a problem to run small personal sites as long as I
didn't suck up all the bandwidth. If I ever start getting lots of people
hitting my servers, I can upgrade to business class for about $25 more
per month and not get hollered at.
Ashley
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From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
shutting
>> I
won't shoot you... as long as you're not trying to
>> provide public content on an asymetric connection like DSL
>> or cable modem. In that case, your users might if outbound
>> is 128k :)
Not only that, but it is a violation of most of the TOS agreements. The
local cable company [Long Island CableVision] just went on a spree down anyone who had ports 21 [FTP], 80 [HTTP] and a
bunch more open! If
the
content appeared to be "business" related,
the users were sent a bill for
a
retroactive "commercial" upgrade [this is
still being fought!]
9 a.m.
Ashley wrote...
I've always run small scale web sites, FTP sites,
etc., and never had
any complaints. I've talked to the local folks at the cable company and
they said it wasn't a problem to run small personal sites as long as I
didn't suck up all the bandwidth. If I ever start getting lots of people
hitting my servers, I can upgrade to business class for about $25 more
per month and not get hollered at.
But the question is... what kind of connection is it and is it asymetric?
Most typical consumer grade connections are asymetric, meaning you typically
get around 128kbps outbound, but a much higher rate (768kbps or 1mbps)
inbound. This is GREAT for websurfing, downloading mp3's, etc. But if people
try to get files off your server and your outbound speed is 128kbps, they're
screwed for decent size documents. 128kbps is effectively two analog dialup
modems worth of bandwidth. Makes a 8mb pdf file painful. Now if you've got
over 1mbps outbound AND inbound, it shouldn't be too bad.
Jay West
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9:09 a.m.
Here "consumer" is $49.95 / month / computer. Usage of a router is
technically a violation, but is not being enforced. "business" is $279 /
month + $29 / month / additional computer .
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Carder
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:00 PM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
>>
>> I've always run small scale web sites, FTP sites, etc., and
>> never had any complaints. I've talked to the local folks
>> at the cable company and they said it wasn't a problem to
>> run small personal sites as long as I didn't suck up all
>> the bandwidth. If I ever start getting lots of people
>> hitting my servers, I can upgrade to business class for
>> about $25 more per month and not get hollered at.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
>> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
>> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
>>
>>
>> > >>> I won't shoot you... as long as you're not trying to
provide
>> > >>> public content on an asymetric connection like DSL or
>> cable modem.
>> > >>> In that case, your users might if outbound is 128k :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Not only that, but it is a violation of most of the TOS
>> agreements.
>> > The local cable company [Long Island CableVision] just
>> went on a spree
>> shutting
>> > down anyone who had ports 21 [FTP], 80 [HTTP] and a bunch
>> more open!
>> > If
>> the
>> > content appeared to be "business" related, the users were
>> sent a bill
>> > for
>> a
>> > retroactive "commercial" upgrade [this is still being fought!]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
9:30 a.m.
I talked to a salesman a while back and he was going to "give me a deal" on
business class since I had been a customer for so long, with a static IP,
for $79.99 per month with 1.5+mbps download and 1.5mbps upload, more
guaranteed bandwidth if I wanted to pay more I'll have to run some tests to
see what the upload speed currently is. The last time I checked, it varied
anywhere from ~400k to over 2mbps. The salesman calls me periodically to
see if I'm ready to upgrade, but I haven't done so yet.
My ISP's Acceptable Use Policy does not explicitly prohibit running web /
ftp / mail servers and there is no mention of anything like this in their
"policy". The only questionable item that I might have (which agrees with
what the folks at the ISP's office said) is this bullet item on the
"Operator Acceptable Use Policy":
* The ISP Service may not be used to engage in any conduct that interferes
with Operator's ability to provide service to others, including the use of
excessive bandwidth.
I've been running small scale web / ftp / mail servers with this ISP since
1997 or 1998 and have never been scolded yet, except for once when I was
learning how to set up a mail server and I forgot to turn off SMTP relaying.
Someone started relaying porn spam using my SMTP server and I quickly turned
off relaying wthout proper authentication.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
Here "consumer" is $49.95 / month /
computer. Usage of a router is
technically a violation, but is not being enforced. "business" is $279 /
month + $29 / month / additional computer .
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Carder
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:00 PM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
>>
>> I've always run small scale web sites, FTP sites, etc., and
>> never had any complaints. I've talked to the local folks
>> at the cable company and they said it wasn't a problem to
>> run small personal sites as long as I didn't suck up all
>> the bandwidth. If I ever start getting lots of people
>> hitting my servers, I can upgrade to business class for
>> about $25 more per month and not get hollered at.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
>> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
>> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
>>
>>
>> > >>> I won't shoot you... as long as you're not trying to
provide
>> > >>> public content on an asymetric connection like DSL or
>> cable modem.
>> > >>> In that case, your users might if outbound is 128k :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Not only that, but it is a violation of most of the TOS
>> agreements.
>> > The local cable company [Long Island CableVision] just
>> went on a spree
>> shutting
>> > down anyone who had ports 21 [FTP], 80 [HTTP] and a bunch
>> more open!
>> > If
>> the
>> > content appeared to be "business" related, the users were
>> sent a bill
>> > for
>> a
>> > retroactive "commercial" upgrade [this is still being fought!]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
10:13 a.m.
.... if I decide to upgrade.
.... and I can't seem to convince myself to pay the additional
$35 to upgrade if I can continue running non-commercial sites
with decent bandwidth both ways and not get scolded by the ISP.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: bitsavers mirror is up and in sync!
with 1.5+mbps
download and 1.5mbps upload, more
That's not so bad. Most kewl. You're all
set!
Jay
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