10 Jan
1999
10 Jan
'99
5 a.m.
OK, I realize the subject line looks off topic, but it really isn't since
this deals with handling and archiving classic media. I seem to recall
someone mentioning some of the utilities such as 'putr', 'teledisk', and
various other won't work on a modern PC with a 5.25" floppy drive attached.
Am I remembering correctly? If so does anyone remember which programs are
effected?
Zane
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11 Jan
11 Jan
11:11 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
The fact that an 80 track drive (of any type) may not
reliably write to a
40track disk. However, if you use good-quality media and format it on the
drive that writes it (i.e. format a disk in the PC drive and write to it
there), this is rarely a big problem.
And I learned a long time ago that thoroughly erasing the disk first
before formatting is a _good thing_. Especially since it seems that
nowadays most disks come pre-formatted for MS, and that may not be the
OS I'm writing from. I have few problems when the diskette is
written by any drive as long as it visits Mr. Bulk Eraser first, at
least for a data transfer -- no warranty implied for long-term
storage. But I've successfully written diskettes for TRS-80 Model 4
using a couple of Pentium systems on HD drives (thanking Tim Mann
every second for the improvements he's done to xtrs) with Linux.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
10 Jan
10 Jan
10:26 a.m.
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
OK, I realize the subject line looks off topic, but it
really isn't since
this deals with handling and archiving classic media. I seem to recall
someone mentioning some of the utilities such as 'putr', 'teledisk', and
various other won't work on a modern PC with a 5.25" floppy drive attached.
Am I remembering correctly? If so does anyone remember which programs are
effected?
Zane, I think that you will find that different folks have had different
experiences in this regard. It seems to depend upon the speed of the
processor, the make/model of the FDC, and the FD drive. I have used
TeleDisk with no problems on a 486/33. I cannot comment on putr.
Try it and see is probably the best guidance.
- don
11:15 a.m.
Zane, I think that you will find that different folks
have had different
experiences in this regard. It seems to depend upon the speed of the
processor, the make/model of the FDC, and the FD drive. I have used
TeleDisk with no problems on a 486/33. I cannot comment on putr.
Try it and see is probably the best guidance.
I got smart and did a few DejaNews searches after asking the question this
morning. It looks like most people have problems trying to do this on
anything faster than a 486/33 (which is what I'm currently using). My
problem is when I bought that system back in '91 I bought it to be
expandable, so it's in a _FULL_ size tower case, and I'm looking to free up
some space. Looks like that one stays though.
Actaully I don't know that 'putr' has a problem with the higher speeds, but
apparently 'teledisk', 'anadisk', and '22disk' all have problems
with
systems faster than a 486/33.
Does anyone run 'putr' on a Pentium or Pentium II? It's the utility I'm
the most interested in being able to run. I've tried running it in DOSemu
under Linux and that doens't seem to work.
Zane
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12:25 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actaully I don't know that 'putr' has a
problem with the higher speeds, but
apparently 'teledisk', 'anadisk', and '22disk' all have problems
with
systems faster than a 486/33.
Does anyone run 'putr' on a Pentium or Pentium II? It's the utility I'm
the most interested in being able to run. I've tried running it in DOSemu
under Linux and that doens't seem to work.
Jerome Fine replies:
The ONLY PUTR that I am aware of is from John Wilson, the fellow
who also wrote an emulator for the PDP-11 called Eratz-11 or E11 for
short. BOTH work VERY well.
I have had a PC with a Pentium 166 MMX available to me for the past
year whenever I need to use PUTR to transfer files from either an
RX50 (5 1/4" floppy - DSDD media required), an RX33 (5 1/4" floppy
with HD PC floppy media) and an RX23 (3 1/2" HD floppy media).
Obviously the first 2 media require a 5 1/4" floppy drive on a PC which
is the HD 1.2 MByte version on the PC. The third media requires a
PC 3 1/2" 1.44 MByte floppy drive on a PC.
Does this answer address the question?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
RT-11/TSX-PLUS User/Addict
1:45 p.m.
I have had a PC with a Pentium 166 MMX available to me
for the past
year whenever I need to use PUTR to transfer files from either an
Does this answer address the question?
Yep, that answers the key question. Sounds like it's time to set up one of
my newer systems to run 'putr'. Thanks, that will let me free up a lot of
space.
Zane
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2:57 p.m.
New subject: Berkeley Enterprises 1956 Report
OK, next time somebody tells you that the Altair was the first personal or
home computer, give them this URL:
http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/berkeley/report.html
This page is the result of about two hours of post-processing output from
Xerox TextBridge Pro 98. The program has a few bugs related to HTML
conversion, but it does the best job I've seen so far. Here's the
unretouched output:
http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/berkeley/pre1.htm
-- Doug
12:33 p.m.
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Does anyone run 'putr' on a Pentium or Pentium
II? It's the utility I'm
the most interested in being able to run. I've tried running it in DOSemu
under Linux and that doens't seem to work.
I haven't done a whole lot with it, but it seems to run ok on under DOS on
my PPro 200. It doesn't work properly under NT, but that's no real
surprise.
-- Brian
--
Brian Harrington
Digital Knowledge Center
Johns Hopkins University
brian(a)sigh.mse.jhu.edu
12 Jan
12 Jan
12:29 a.m.
OK, I realize the subject line looks off topic, but it
really isn't since
this deals with handling and archiving classic media. I seem to recall
someone mentioning some of the utilities such as 'putr', 'teledisk', and
various other won't work on a modern PC with a 5.25" floppy drive attached.
Am I remembering correctly? If so does anyone remember which programs are
effected?
This could be unit specific, I don't know. In fact, I had a similar
problem writing 720K media written on a 1.2M drive, so I added a
720K FD. This PC (a V20 XT with 1x3,5" 720 MB, 1x3",1x5,25" 720 MB
and 1x5,25" 1.2MB) is still in use for media conversation - I added
the 3" for Schneider/Amstrad CP/M disks.
Gruss
h.
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
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