10 Sep
2002
10 Sep
'02
3:45 a.m.
At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote:
Yeah? So?
Maybe the ones you had were junk.
Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of them. I know for
a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling HP-IB cards.
Or maybe you didn't have the ability to properly manage your assets?
You did end up going out of business, right?
I strongly suspect Fred has made a lot more money in his career than you'll ever
see! Especialy with your attitude.
Opinions are like assholes Fred, everybodys got one, and everybody elses
stinks but your own.
That term certainy seems to apply to some people that never post on this list except
to complain about other people (and then only post anonymously!) and only lurk on the list
looking for bargains that they can turn around and make a fat profit on!
Joe
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1759281641
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1758428714
At 11:49 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Mail List wrote:
And Louis Schulman thought GPIB interfaces
were worth only about $5
Yeah? So?
He is certainly entitled to that opinion. Particularly since he can find
them at that price. When I closed out my office, that's more than I got
for them. 
10 Sep
10 Sep
3:53 a.m.
New subject: Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures
I'm tending to agree with Joe here, we don't need these personal attacks
on the list. If you really feel it's necessary to attack someone, do it
with private email. This is one thing I detest even more than the MPAA,
RIAA, DVD's CSS, and Spam.
-- Pat
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Joe wrote:
At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote:
Yeah? So?
Maybe the ones you had were junk.
Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of them. I know
for a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling HP-IB cards.
Or maybe you didn't have the ability to properly manage your assets?
You did end up going out of business, right?
I strongly suspect Fred has made a lot more money in his career than you'll ever
see! Especialy with your attitude.
Opinions are like assholes Fred, everybodys got one, and everybody elses
stinks but your own.
That term certainy seems to apply to some people that never post on this list except
to complain about other people (and then only post anonymously!) and only lurk on the list
looking for bargains that they can turn around and make a fat profit on!
Joe 
7:07 a.m.
New subject: Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Joe wrote:
At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote:
He wasn't. He was more interested in seeing that everything (and it
was a lot) went into the hands of those that would benefit the most from
it. And it all did.
And that's what matters.
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Yeah? So?
Maybe the ones you had were junk.
Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of
them. I know for a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling
HP-IB cards. 
8:32 a.m.
New subject: Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures
Thank you.
I'm too tired and sick to deal with that asshole.
I'd rather have Dick back than that jerk.
Makes me wish that I still had all of my old GPIB cards (I think that Eric
got most of them), just so that I could offer them up at $1 each to anyone
but him.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Joe wrote:
At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote:
He wasn't. He was more interested in seeing that everything (and it
was a lot) went into the hands of those that would benefit the most from
it. And it all did.
And that's what matters.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Yeah? So?
Maybe the ones you had were junk.
Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of
them. I know for a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling
HP-IB cards.
8:33 a.m.
New subject: Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures
sorry.
that was intended to go privately to Sellam.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
9:06 a.m.
New subject: Price of GPIB (was: Proper Observance of ESD Handling Proceedures
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
sorry.
that was intended to go privately to Sellam.
That's OK. Sometimes a public airing of personal sentiment is appropriate
;)
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11 Sep
11 Sep
3:46 p.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
7:56 p.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
Bad Fred, bad. Now go curl up in your corner like a good geek. I remember
having that and last year scowled the box after the tragedy and wondered
about that.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
-> Behalf Of Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:46 PM
-> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
->
->
-> Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
-> with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
->
-> A: More than a dozen years ago:
-> http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
->
12 Sep
12 Sep
5:18 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
I think the word the best describes this is "hooey".
g.
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Bad Fred, bad. Now go curl up in your corner like a
good geek. I remember
having that and last year scowled the box after the tragedy and wondered
about that.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
-> Behalf Of Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:46 PM
-> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
->
->
-> Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
-> with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
->
-> A: More than a dozen years ago:
-> http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
->
6:54 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
One could be in even worse taste and observe that Microsoft, once again,
missed their target.
I expect the concept of crashing aircraft into things goes way back.
There was the small private plane (Cessna or similar) that crashed into
the White House (causing little or no damage; it didn't have enough
explosive or flamable material to do anything). During WWII there were
the kamakazi (sp?) pilots attacking our Pacific Fleet. In fact, the
general concept goes back even before aircraft. Think about Roman ships
ramming opposition ships in battle.
Gene Buckle wrote:
I think the word the best describes this is
"hooey".
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
>Bad Fred, bad. Now go curl up in your corner like a good geek. I remember
>having that and last year scowled the box after the tragedy and wondered
>about that.
7:39 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, James E. LaBarre wrote:
One could be in even worse taste and observe that
Microsoft, once again,
missed their target.
I expect the concept of crashing aircraft into things goes way back.
There was the small private plane (Cessna or similar) that crashed into
the White House (causing little or no damage; it didn't have enough
explosive or flamable material to do anything). During WWII there were
the kamakazi (sp?) pilots attacking our Pacific Fleet. In fact, the
general concept goes back even before aircraft. Think about Roman ships
ramming opposition ships in battle.
Yes
But I think that the 1989 Flight Simulator is the FIRST reference to
planes with the WTC.
As to being "Off-Topic" - It is over 10 years old, and refers to computer
history.
7:59 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
At 09:39 AM 9/12/2002 -0700, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
But I think that the 1989 Flight Simulator is the FIRST
reference to
planes with the WTC.
When they built the WTC, the builders and planners were quite aware of
its potential as a terrorist target.
- John
9:56 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
At 11:53 AM 9/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
At 09:39 AM 9/12/2002 -0700, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)
wrote:
I don't think they were actually considering a terrorist act when they were
designing the WTC. What they were considering was an accidental crash such as the bomber
that crashed into the Empire State building in 1945. They did consider the effects of a
plane crash but they were considering the effects of a 707 (the largest plane at that
time) and not a fully loaded 767.
Joe
But I think that the 1989 Flight Simulator is the
FIRST reference to
planes with the WTC.
When they built the WTC, the builders and planners were quite aware of
its potential as a terrorist target.
8:39 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
Or even catapults lobbing heavy objects into buildings and such, or rolling
boulders down big hills into dwellings and towns.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
-> Behalf Of James E. LaBarre
-> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:54 AM
-> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: Re: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
->
->
-> One could be in even worse taste and observe that Microsoft, once again,
-> missed their target.
->
-> I expect the concept of crashing aircraft into things goes way back.
-> There was the small private plane (Cessna or similar) that crashed into
-> the White House (causing little or no damage; it didn't have enough
-> explosive or flamable material to do anything). During WWII there were
-> the kamakazi (sp?) pilots attacking our Pacific Fleet. In fact, the
-> general concept goes back even before aircraft. Think about Roman ships
-> ramming opposition ships in battle.
9:56 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
At 11:54 AM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote:
One could be in even worse taste and observe that
Microsoft, once again,
missed their target.
I expect the concept of crashing aircraft into things goes way back.
There was the small private plane (Cessna or similar) that crashed into
the White House (causing little or no damage; it didn't have enough
explosive or flamable material to do anything). During WWII there were
the kamakazi (sp?) pilots attacking our Pacific Fleet. In fact, the
general concept goes back even before aircraft. Think about Roman ships
ramming opposition ships in battle.
That goes back far beyond the Romans. And I don't think those were intended to be
suicide attacks.
Joe
6:50 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when first
came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!!
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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7:36 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
All that I ask is that we make Bill Gates into a millionaire.
Q: Where did
Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!! 
9:12 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
All that I ask is that we make Bill Gates into a millionaire.
Hmmm, buy him a stock car.
"It's easy to make a small fortune in racing!"
"How?"
"Start with a LARGE fortune..."
yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk
Doc
Q: Where
did Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!!
9:56 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
At 09:36 AM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
All that I ask is that we make Bill Gates into a millionaire.
Do you mean take away 99.9% of his money? Poor guy! </Sarcasm>
Joe
Q: Where
did Osama get the idea? Who and when first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!!
9:57 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
At 12:51 AM 9/12/02 -0700, Sellam wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
I think it's already too late!
Joe
Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when
first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!! 
5:42 p.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
On Thursday 12 September 2002 03:51, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Could al queda be operatives of the BSA
Was someone in the WTC running something other than NT?
Does Sadam have a licenced copy of XP on his machine?
Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when
first came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
We should launch a pre-emptive strike against Redmond!! 
9:22 a.m.
New subject: IN BAD TASTE: Putting the blame where it belongs?
Quothe Fred Cisin (XenoSoft), from writings of Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at
05:46:25PM -0700:
Q: Where did Osama get the idea? Who and when first
came up
with the idea of flying a plane into the WTC?
A: More than a dozen years ago:
http://www.xenosoft.com/BLAME.JPG
Ok, now we know who else may have masterminded this. Unfortunately,
the U.S. government has spent vast sums of money bombing those it
thinks, or wants us to think, are responsible, so that the average
citizen will believe that Uncle Sam is doing something to stop
terrorism (non-U.S. government sponsored terrorism, that is), while
giving itself an excuse to take away more civil liberties and
otherwise do more to curtail freedom.
Doesn't it make one wonder if anyone in the World Trade Center was
working on anything that posed a threat to the Mickeysoft Empire?
Hmmm, and to think how much the present administration wants to
protect Mickeysoft... ...at any cost? Which one of our politicians
was rumored to have said something along the lines of: "Freedom and
Liberty are of little importance when compared to corporate
profitability"? Hmmm.... ok, perhaps it was more than one of our
politicrats, or, more likely, most of them.
Oops, I forgot Ashcroft's spooks might be reading this...
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