28 Oct
2009
28 Oct
'09
11:59 a.m.
Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> wrote:
I'm afraid most of Stackens stuff is lost forever. :-( There was a
little stuff saved in a warehouse somewhere still, if you remember...
But we did manage to save a KS-10, and they kept one at KTH. Both should
be functional. That's always something.
True.
> Stacken
have had to get rid of most of their stuff, I think, but
> Peter still has his, and maybe more.
Did that stuff get thrown out or did it end up with other stacken
members? (Expect for the stuff that went to uppsala this year) > I think
I've written about this before, but it seems that either is
> noone seeing my mails, or noone remembers them, or possible noone
> wants to believe them.
> Don't know which...
Posting a link to his gallery makes it more believable, but I'm sure
that the link has been posted before:
http://www.stupi.se/Bilder/pdp-10/index.html Ps.
Checking the archives, both you and Peter posted the link :D
http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctalk/2003-July/025598.html
http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctalk/2009-January/267600.html
Ah. That first link was really good. There people can see what Peter
have in storage. Most of it very much possible to get running. So he
have actually four KI10 systems, as well as two KA10, and a bunch of KL
and KS. It was more than I thought.
Looks like a pretty good collection of all 36-bit machines with PDP-10
like architecture. Missing is a PDP-6, as well as a few clones.
The SC30 is actually online on HECnet. :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec
Node summary as of 28-OCT-09 19:53:09
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0
State = On, Active links = 0
I think his TOAD-1 is also running, but it don't seem to be online on
HECnet right now.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
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29 Oct
29 Oct
11:27 a.m.
From: Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:00 PM
Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> wrote:
> Ps.
> Checking the archives, both you and Peter posted
the link :D
>
http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctalk/2003-July/025598.html
> http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/htdig/cctalk/2009-January/267600.html
Ah. That first link was really good. There people can
see what Peter
have in storage. Most of it very much possible to get running. So he
have actually four KI10 systems, as well as two KA10, and a bunch of KL
and KS. It was more than I thought.
Looks like a pretty good collection of all 36-bit
machines with PDP-10
like architecture. Missing is a PDP-6, as well as a few clones.
No one has a PDP-6. No one. :-(((
The SC30 is actually online on HECnet. :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec
Node summary as of 28-OCT-09 19:53:09
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA -
SC30M - DN-20 4.0
State = On, Active links = 0
I think his TOAD-1 is also running, but it don't
seem to be online on
HECnet right now.
If I understand it correctly, HECNET is a DECnet network, right?
In that case, unless Peter or someone else has done the work to make the
Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or any other, will ever be
on HECNET. The management at XKL absolutely forbade the software people
to work on DECnet, for reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at livingcomputermuseum.org
http://www.pdpplanet.org/
http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/
12:35 p.m.
cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org wrote:
In that case, unless Peter or someone else has done
the work
to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
Can those of us who don't know ask?
Antonio
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
arcarlini at iee.org wrote:
cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org wrote:
Indeed. Inquiring minds want to know.
(I want to know!)
Peace... Sridhar
In that case, unless Peter or someone else has
done the work
to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
Can those of us who don't know ask? 
2:30 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
At 3:45 PM -0400 10/29/09, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
arcarlini at iee.org wrote:
The founders of XKL came from Cisco, I would assume this has
something to do with it.
Zane
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| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org wrote:
Indeed. Inquiring minds want to know.
(I want to know!) In that case, unless Peter or someone else has
done the work
to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
Can those of us who don't know ask?
4:46 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
From: Zane H. Healy
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:31 PM
At 3:45 PM -0400 10/29/09, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> arcarlini at iee.org wrote:
>> cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org wrote:
>>> In that case, unless Peter or someone else
has done the work
>>> to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
>>> any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
>>> absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
>>> reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
>> Can those of us who don't know ask?
> Indeed. Inquiring minds want to know.
> (I want to know!)
The founders of XKL came from Cisco, I would assume
this has
something to do with it.
The founders of XKL are *the founders* Of 'cisco Systems (as it was originally
spelt). The original 'cisco business plan was to build a PDP-10 clone,
codenamed "TOAD" (for "Ten On A Desk"); the router thing was a small
sideline
that provided a positive cash flow. The VC Board of Directors changed the
company's focus a bit. The founders left.
XKL is entirely privately held.
5:06 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
The founders of XKL are *the founders* Of 'cisco
Systems (as it was originally
spelt). ?The original 'cisco business plan was to build a PDP-10 clone,
codenamed "TOAD" (for "Ten On A Desk"); the router thing was a small
sideline
that provided a positive cash flow. ?The VC Board of Directors changed the
company's focus a bit. ?The founders left.
One might say that was one of the best business moves ever in the
history of computing.
--
Will
9:10 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Rich Alderson wrote:
Is there more? I don't see why that would have put them off doing DECnet.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>>> In
that case, unless Peter or someone else has done the work
>>> to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
>>> any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
>>> absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
>>> reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
>> Can those of us who don't know ask?
> Indeed. Inquiring minds want to know.
> (I want to know!)
The founders of XKL came from Cisco, I would
assume this has
something to do with it.
The founders of XKL are *the founders* Of 'cisco Systems (as it was
originally spelt). The original 'cisco business plan was to build a
PDP-10 clone, codenamed "TOAD" (for "Ten On A Desk"); the router
thing
was a small sideline that provided a positive cash flow. The VC Board
of Directors changed the company's focus a bit. The founders left.
XKL is entirely privately held.
30 Oct
30 Oct
3:40 p.m.
New subject: Stockholm PDP-10s
From: David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:10 PM
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Rich Alderson wrote:
>>>>> In that case, unless Peter or
someone else has done the work
>>>>> to make the Toad-1 speak DECnet, no one's Toad-1, Peter's or
>>>>> any other, will ever be on HECNET. The management at XKL
>>>>> absolutely forbade the software people to work on DECnet, for
>>>>> reasons obvious to anyone knowing the company history.
>>>> Can those of us who don't know
ask?
>>> Indeed. Inquiring minds want to know.
>>> (I want to know!)
>> The founders of XKL came from Cisco, I would
assume this has
>> something to do with it.
> The founders of XKL are *the founders* Of
'cisco Systems (as it was
> originally spelt). The original 'cisco business plan was to build a
> PDP-10 clone, codenamed "TOAD" (for "Ten On A Desk"); the router
thing
> was a small sideline that provided a positive cash flow. The VC Board
> of Directors changed the company's focus a bit. The founders left.
> XKL is entirely privately held.
Is there more? I don't see why that would have
put them off doing DECnet.
Actually, I was addressing Zane's comment that they "came from Cisco".
Ok.
DECnet was, at the time, a proprietary protocol suite, available only for
computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. Other companies who wished
to develop in that arena had to pay high licensing fees.
The founders of Cisco were important advocates of the open nature of TCP/IP.
They predicted, correctly, that proprietary architectures like DECnet, SNA &
LU.6, and the like, would go by the boards, and saw no reason to expend
limited resources on them.
29 Oct
29 Oct
5:23 p.m.
No one has a PDP-6. ?No one. ?:-(((
Well, no one is talking anyway. If a PDP-6 is left in this world, it
would be in a private collection and hidden from view. Being how
legendary a PDP-6 is, it would not be a huge shock to me if one
surfaces some day, out of one of these private piles*.
That is the thing about mainframe collectors - we tend to be extremely
tight lipped. I am a loud-mouth in this respect - most big iron
collectors with the *good* *stuff* will never say a word until they
gain trust in who is asking. Part of this is right in line with
collectors of high end antiques - advertising a collection is an
invite for hordes of people trying to pry the goods away, or in
extreme cases, theft and destruction.
For example, I have recently been thrown into the world of CDC in a
pretty big way. Previous to this, I knew of very few collectors and
very few remaining machines, Cybers or otherwise. Now, the veil has
been pierced, showing a whole underworld of collectors and machines -
and some amazing things. But I ain't talkin'.
* No, I do not know of a remaining PDP-6.
--
Will
7:21 p.m.
Given that only 23 were ever sold, the odds aren't good.... -- Ian
________________________________________
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
William Donzelli [wdonzelli at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:23 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Stockholm PDP-10s (was: Kiel PDP-10)
No one has a PDP-6. No one. :-(((
Well, no one is talking anyway. If a PDP-6 is left in this world, it
would be in a private collection and hidden from view. Being how
legendary a PDP-6 is, it would not be a huge shock to me if one
surfaces some day, out of one of these private piles*.
That is the thing about mainframe collectors - we tend to be extremely
tight lipped. I am a loud-mouth in this respect - most big iron
collectors with the *good* *stuff* will never say a word until they
gain trust in who is asking. Part of this is right in line with
collectors of high end antiques - advertising a collection is an
invite for hordes of people trying to pry the goods away, or in
extreme cases, theft and destruction.
For example, I have recently been thrown into the world of CDC in a
pretty big way. Previous to this, I knew of very few collectors and
very few remaining machines, Cybers or otherwise. Now, the veil has
been pierced, showing a whole underworld of collectors and machines -
and some amazing things. But I ain't talkin'.
* No, I do not know of a remaining PDP-6.
--
Will
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