22 Jan
2013
22 Jan
'13
8:13 p.m.
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout (which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
22 Jan
22 Jan
8:24 p.m.
AMOS?
On Jan 22, 2013, at 2:13 PM, JP Hindin <jplist2008 at kiwigeek.com> wrote:
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout (which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
9:12 p.m.
On 22 January 2013 20:24, Ryan Brooks <ryan at hack.net> wrote:
AMOS?
That was my immediate guess, yes.
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9:16 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Ryan Brooks wrote:
AMOS?
Based on what I can find, we appear to have a winner.
Thanks all;
- JP
On Jan 22, 2013, at 2:13 PM, JP Hindin <jplist2008
at kiwigeek.com> wrote:
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout (which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
8:25 p.m.
On Jan 22, 2013, at 3:13 PM, JP Hindin <jplist2008 at kiwigeek.com> wrote:
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language
that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Could it possibly have been Logo?
8:32 p.m.
On 22/01/2013 20:13, JP Hindin wrote:
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout
(which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Well on the Atari we had STOS and I think on the Amiga there was AMOS
perhaps...
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of
time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
8:41 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, JP Hindin wrote:
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout (which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Sound very much like AMOS,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOS_%28programming_language%29 , it
certainly was very popular for a while.
Blitz BASIC was another posibillity, but spirits and animations there of
was one of the strong features of amos.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of
time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Some games did make that very easy, keeping the data for such things in
normal files, failing that a bit of work with a picture ripper tool could
usual find the imagines in the memory easyly after a reset.
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8:56 p.m.
I think you mean ARexx
Dan.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:13:27 -0600
From: jplist2008 at kiwigeek.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: What was that old Amiga programming language...?
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout (which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
9:42 p.m.
On 22 January 2013 20:56, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
I think you mean ARexx
ARexx? Really?
You think ARexx did "very easy manipulation of images and sound and
used it to construct games"?
I'd say ARexx was a scripting language, not a graphics one.
The closest fit is AMOS and after that BlitzBASIC, I reckon.
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23 Jan
12:14 a.m.
Yes, lots of games and stuff were done in ARexx, sound and images, etc.
and btw quoting vrx/sexton as a source automatically disqualifies you
Dan.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:42:24 +0000
Subject: Re: What was that old Amiga programming language...?
From: lproven at gmail.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
On 22 January 2013 20:56, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
I think you mean ARexx
ARexx? Really?
You think ARexx did "very easy manipulation of images and sound and
used it to construct games"?
I'd say ARexx was a scripting language, not a graphics one.
The closest fit is AMOS and after that BlitzBASIC, I reckon.
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7:27 a.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
Yes, lots of games and stuff were done in ARexx, sound and images, etc.
yes lots of stuff was made with it, but not many games, and certanly not
any with sounds or graphics.
A search for "arexx game" on aminet brings up excatly 3 hits.
Arexx is a scripting language and has no functions to manipulate anything
but strings, you could use the many library add ons, but I have never seen
anything to facilitate anything more graphical than gui's like gadtoolbox,
triton or mui.
That said its not totally impossible with the help of some arexx add on
libraries to have access to all os functions, but quick look at the
sources in the http://aminet.net/package/util/rexx/Rxgen package , shows
how ill suited it was for such things.
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10:49 p.m.
On 23 January 2013 00:14, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, lots of games and stuff were done in ARexx, sound
and images, etc.
and btw quoting vrx/sexton as a source automatically disqualifies you
We normally don't top-quote on this list.
I don't even know who or what vrx/sexton is; I merely gave the top hit
or 2 from Google.
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1:17 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Liam Proven wrote:
The closest fit is AMOS and after that BlitzBASIC, I
reckon.
There's actually a modern compiler called BlitzBASIC that is highly
optimized and popular with folks that make games. It can be found at
http://www.blitzbasic.com
g.
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* On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:13:27PM -0600, JP Hindin <jplist2008 at kiwigeek.com>
wrote:
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
[...]
Hmm, not much to go on, unfortunately. It's more or less a random stab
in the dark, but could it have been ARexx? ARexx was wildly popular on
the Amiga. Try to find some example REXX programs and see if they look
like what you remember.
-Seth
9:01 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, JP Hindin wrote:
So back in the early '90s when I was a boy scout
(which is not usually a
good start to a story) we had a camp leader who had a couple of Amigas.
I'm certain one was a 1200, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games. The
magic thing was that he would very easily steal tiles, sprites, sounds and
music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into this language
and manipulate.
Now, I'm remembering this from across the void of time, but I remember
being really amazed that he could so easily pull a sprite from a game and
then reuse it.
Did I imagine this, or does someone know what I'm talking about here?
Cheers;
- JP
Maybe "The Director" by Keith Doyle.
--Ernest
9:59 p.m.
On 22 January 2013 21:01, Ernest G. Allen <eallen at owt.com> wrote:
Maybe "The Director" by Keith Doyle.
Ooh, now that's an interesting one. I'd not heard of that.
http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/ideas/computers/Amiga/
?
Why the Amiga rawked and why Cnet are a bunch of doody-heads
ST? Render unto me a fucking break.
?
http://www.webomator.com/2007/08/23/digital-abstractions-by-keith-doyle/
?
Keith wrote one of the most useful applications I used on the Amiga
(?the Director? ? a few years before Macromedia fastened on that
name). The Director was a version of the BASIC programming language
which included powerful extensions for displaying and manipulating
graphics and sound.
?
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9:11 p.m.
JP Hindin <jplist2008 at kiwigeek.com> writes:
At any rate, he had a BASIC-like programming language
that allowed very
easy manipulation of images and sound and used it to construct games.
That'd probably be either AMOS or Blitz Basic, both of which were great
fun to play with. AMOS was around earlier; Blitz had better access to
the OS.
Various versions of AMOS (AMOS, Easy AMOS, AMOS 3D, AMOS Pro...) were
widely distributed on magazine coverdisks in the early-mid 90s. While
sorting disk boxes a few weeks ago, I was amused to discover that
literally every Amiga user I knew had a copy of AMOS Pro:
http://offog.org/stuff/amospro.jpg
(Both AMOS and Blitz are now freely available and open source, so you
can obtain them for use in an emulator or real Amiga...)
The magic thing was that he would very easily steal
tiles, sprites,
sounds and music from _commercial_ games which he could then drop into
this language and manipulate.
There were plenty of programs for the Amiga that'd let you poke around
in memory after a reset and see what resources a game or demo had left
behind -- I remember that the LSD Legal Tools PD disks were a good
source of these:
http://www.amiga-stuff.com/pd/lsd-legaltools.html
But the really neat tool for this sort of thing was an Action Replay
cartridge, which let you interrupt a program while it was running, and
drop into various rippers and debugging tools from ROM.
Thanks,
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