19 Mar
1997
19 Mar
'97
5:22 a.m.
I'm not totally sure yet another ad hoc list is in our best
interests. There are some Web sites dedicated to Classic Computers
that list some/most of the old sets and what went with them
(peripherals, memory, etc.). If you feel that a seperate list is
still a good idea, BMG, but I'd like to see a list of "history" Web
sites and how good you think they are. Some, like Rich Polivka's
page, are dedicated to a single machine (our trusty TI). I imagine
other machines have something similar.
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19 Mar
19 Mar
9:59 p.m.
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, DAVID L. ORMAND wrote:
If you feel that a seperate list is
still a good idea, BMG, but I'd like to see a list of "history" Web
sites and how good you think they are.
Your suggestion is good, but for at least three reasons cannot replace a
"complete" list.
Firstly, the various web sites are all in different formats, making it
difficult to make comparisons. Perhaps you cannot even find the
information you are interested in. If we make our own list, we can decide
together what information we need and put it together in a standardized
way. This would also facilitate sorting. Say that I want to know what
micros with at least 64K RAM existed before the C64 was released. I wish
you good luck if you want to hunt this information down on the web sites
and present it in a uniform fashion.
Secondly, not all systems are covered by the web sites. I challenge you to
find a page about the Sord M5. I double challenge you to find one about
the Sord IS-11. Not everyone has the possibility to add a new site about
his favourite computer, but sending an addition to a list maintainer is
rather straightforward. (As an aside, I am currently working on a Sord M5
home page. No plans for the IS-11 yet, though.)
Thirdly (and in my opinion most importantly) you can never say for sure
what web sites are still there tomorrow. Maintainers move and take their
pages with them, or they may decide that they no longer have the time or
resources to keep it up, or the archives may be reorganized and all links
end up in void, or an ISP may go belly-up, or...
The Internet's swiftly changing structure is a double-edged sword.
In short, one thing may not exclude the other. Both suggestions have their
advantages and disadvantages.
/F
20 Mar
20 Mar
1:15 a.m.
It was thus said that the Great Fredrik Ekman once stated:
Secondly, not all systems are covered by the web sites. I challenge you to
find a page about the Sord M5. I double challenge you to find one about
the Sord IS-11.
Oooh, willing to put some money on that? 8-)
Well, in a few minutes of searching [1], I came up with the following:
Sord M5:
Picture of Sord M5: http://194.22.63.201/homepages/gerard.laures/sord-m5.htm
Some info: http://www.hh.schule.de/hhs/computer/sordm5.htm
Info and Picture: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/chriss/hchof/sordm5.html
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any information about the Sord IS-11.
Maybe it was wise I didn't put any money down on it.
Point taken.
-spc (But given more time I might have found something ... )
[1] Using a program which submits the query to 15 other engines and
displays the results. I probably wouldn't mention it, but I wrote
the darned thing (the program, not the site) - http://www.cyber411.com/
21 Mar
21 Mar
3 a.m.
> If you feel that a seperate list is
> still a good idea, BMG, but I'd like to see a list of "history" Web
> sites and how good you think they are.
The links section on the CCL web page is growing daily and will start
to be commented before long. If any of you know of good sites - let
me know and I'll add those too.
Firstly, the various web sites are all in different
formats, making it
difficult to make comparisons. Perhaps you cannot even find the
information you are interested in. If we make our own list, we can decide
together what information we need and put it together in a standardized
way. This would also facilitate sorting. Say that I want to know what
micros with at least 64K RAM existed before the C64 was released. I wish
you good luck if you want to hunt this information down on the web sites
and present it in a uniform fashion.
Also, having a nice complete list can be an asset to people doing history
sites / nostalgia sites on these computers. Rather than being in
competition with existing information I see a list as a way to help
bring the whole WWW mess together.
Thirdly (and in my opinion most importantly) you can
never say for sure
what web sites are still there tomorrow. Maintainers move and take their
pages with them, or they may decide that they no longer have the time or
resources to keep it up, or the archives may be reorganized and all links
end up in void, or an ISP may go belly-up, or...
And after all, this is a University Job I've got so even if I leave
I can probably shove the whole thing onto some student :))
Regardless of mertit, the list almost ready to get going ;). Dan
Tucker (of this list) has done some great html work and I think the
result will be much more useful that what I first envisioned. Every-
body say "Thanks, Dan!"
I'll post again when thigs are ready to go.
Bill Whitson
ClassicCmp "owner"
bcw(a)u.washington.edu bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu
3:38 a.m.
Ok people! I am setting up a test run for the following times - (Gulp)
Saturday 14:00 CST to 16:00 CST (that's -6 GMT)
Testing for data entry - Please email me if you have suggestions
or problems.
Sunday 10:00 CST to 12:00 CST
Testing for automatic page generation - I will be watching 8-)
Sunday 18:00 CST to 20:00 CST
If everything is OK, we will be accepting LIVE data. I expect this all
to be moved to the CCL web page area - if they can handle it.
I don't expect to lose any data, even during the trial runs and will be
converting pages on the fly - so to speak.
I have not completed some of the search routines, some of you wanted more
data flexability than I can give - right now 8-) Currently I am running
Matt Wright's Search engine and I want to modify it - give me some ideas!
You can look at what's there (only the Rainbow that - sorry - someone
supplied on the list. I have modified some of the data but it is
basically pretty freeform.
If you have pics online, there is a place to put your URL for them. I am
currently trying to think of a way to have more than one per page 8-(
(the problem is the modification of existing pages)
The URL is - http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/index.html
There is no link to it from the main page.
PLEASE PLEASE BE GENTLE!!!!!! 8-)
BC
20 Mar
20 Mar
6:01 p.m.
Have people seen the "Comprehensive Computer Catalogue"? It currently
lists 2863 computers. The URL is:
http://columbia.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/
Unfortunately it hasn't been updated for about a year now, and I have
not been able to contact the author about this because I would like to
take over the running of the catalogue. I have sort of made a start to
this by transforing the HTML pages into a CSV file ready for import
into a database. It will not take me long to knock together a bit of
Python to output some HTML pages. I would also like to add fields to
the database so any ideas are welcome.
Kevan
Old Computer Collector: <URL:http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/>
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