15 Feb
2001
15 Feb
'01
3:01 p.m.
From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se>
CP/M and DOS don't even have GUIs. =?
Yep, saves space and runs like the wind.
The QNX demo is of course interesting, but won't
run on a 4 MB machine,
since
it is heavily compressed on that floppy and needs to
unpack into RAM.
So, you want everything? ;) the only thing I know that has a gui
and can run in 4mb (barely ) is non-PS (VMS/Decwindows). You
still need at least 80mb of disk though. I've heard the Amiga or
one of the other commies had a real neat rommed OS that had
graphic primitives.
Allison
15 Feb
15 Feb
4:05 p.m.
still need at least 80mb of disk though. I've
heard the Amiga or
one of the other commies had a real neat rommed OS that had
graphic primitives.
The most base Amiga 1000's have just 256k of RAM and a single
880k floppy and require two steps to boot the OS (loading Kickstart
off of the 1st floppy and then reading Workbench off of the second)
and will happily run off of that single floppy, even allowing you to
swap it out for whatever application disk you want to use. This with
full GUI, sound and all the other nifty things that go along with
using an Amiga. I no longer recall what the exact size of the
A1000's Kickstart is but nearly all remaining machines (with the
exception of a softkicked A3000) had the Kickstart in ROM. Of
course, there was also the Atari ST line that had it's GEM-based TOS
totally ROM based and ran well in less than 1meg of RAM, though I've
never thought their graphics capabilities were on par with the Amiga.
Jeff
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4:25 p.m.
So, you want everything? ;) the only thing I know
that has a gui
and can run in 4mb (barely ) is non-PS (VMS/Decwindows). You
still need at least 80mb of disk though.
I'm guessing you're refering to an older version of VMS/DECwindows though.
Although it would be an interesting experiment to try and get modern
versions of both running on a VAX with only 4MB and try and do anything. It
would defininitly be educational (and I mean that seriously) to try and
sqeeze it onto an 80MB disk.
Since you bring up what I'm taking to be an older version of an OS......
Versions of MacOS through System 7.1.x could without any problem. As I've
mentioned I've done it with Linux using both MGR and X-Windows on a
386sx/16. Obviously ancient versions of OS/2 and DOS/Windows.
I've heard the Amiga or
one of the other commies had a real neat rommed OS that had
graphic primitives.
The Amiga has part of it in ROM, but I think it's just like older Mac's have
the Toolbox in ROM. The Atari 16 and 32-bit systems on the other hand had
the OS in ROM. Downside being it was single task. Still very cool though,
it's the main reason I got my Atari TT/030 a few years ago (though got to
admit I wish I'd gotten a Falcon for the better colour).
Zane
6:17 p.m.
ajp166 skrev:
From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se>
>CP/M and DOS don't even have GUIs. =?
Yep, saves space and runs like the wind.
Pfah. Mind you, they don't even multitask. How much OS for your money is that?
The QNX demo is
of course interesting, but won't run on a 4 MB machine,
since
>it is heavily compressed on that floppy and needs to unpack into RAM. So, you want everything? ;) the only thing I know that
has a gui
and can run in 4mb (barely ) is non-PS (VMS/Decwindows). You
still need at least 80mb of disk though. I've heard the Amiga or
one of the other commies had a real neat rommed OS that had
graphic primitives.
I'm amazed that DECwindows will actually run in such a small (as far as non-
home systems go) environment.
Yes, the Amiga is partially ROM-based, and runs with a meg of memory if need
be. The Atari ST ran TOS with GEM entirely in a small ROM, but then that
didn't mutltitask.
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16 Feb
16 Feb
12:51 p.m.
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From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se>
4 MB machine,
CP/M and DOS don't even have GUIs. =?
Yep, saves space and runs like the wind.
>The QNX demo is of course interesting, but won't run on a since
>it is heavily compressed on that floppy and needs to
unpack into RAM.
So, you want everything? ;) the only thing I know that
has a gui
and can run in 4mb (barely ) is non-PS
(VMS/Decwindows).
You
still need at least 80mb of disk though.
My AT&T 7300 has a GUI and iirc it only has 1meg
A whole bunch of my old MAC's are 5 meg or less
4:26 p.m.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Mike Kenzie wrote:
My AT&T 7300 has a GUI and iirc it only has 1meg
But if I'm right it's really a text-based GUI.
Correct?
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11:57 p.m.
At 07:26 PM 2/16/2001 -0800, you wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Mike Kenzie wrote:
So, it's a TUI? :-)
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My AT&T 7300 has a GUI and iirc it only has
1meg
But if I'm right it's really a text-based GUI.
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