3 Mar
1999
3 Mar
'99
10:02 p.m.
At 09:59 AM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
And I already have a ][c+.
Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does one distinguish it from the
normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?)
Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a
//c?
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3 Mar
3 Mar
10:57 p.m.
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Uncle Roger wrote:
Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does
one distinguish it from the
normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?)
Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a
//c?
A //c+ is an improved version of the //c. For starters, it had a 3.5"
drive instead of a 5.25". It ran at a clock speed of about 3.3Mhz
(instead of ~1Mhz). It had an internal power supply (instead of an
external brick). It may have come with more RAM standard. I think there
was something special about the built-in ports that the //c didn't have.
//c's are pretty plentiful but it was Apple's first portable, so no
serious collector should be without one. The //c+ is a bit harder to come
across, but not impossible by any stretch.
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11:54 p.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
Sellam Ismail wrote:
A //c+ is an improved version of the //c. For starters, it had a 3.5"
drive instead of a 5.25". It ran at a clock speed of about 3.3Mhz
I gather then that the most obvious way of checking is to look at the disk
drive? Were there any markings on the case (like a "+") to distinguish the
two?
4 Mar
4 Mar
1:03 a.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Yes, the //c+ has (strangely enough) a "//c+" emblem on the top left
corner of the unit.
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A //c+ is an improved version of the //c. For starters, it had a 3.5"
drive instead of a 5.25". It ran at a clock speed of about 3.3Mhz
I gather then that the most obvious way of checking is to look at the disk
drive? Were there any markings on the case (like a "+") to distinguish the
two? 
8:35 a.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
At 09:54 PM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Yes, the IIc+ is plainly marked "Apple IIC Plus" in the upper left
corner. I *think* the IIc+ is also smaller than the IIc but I'm not sure.
Joe
A //c+ is an improved version of the //c. For starters, it had a 3.5"
drive instead of a 5.25". It ran at a clock speed of about 3.3Mhz
I gather then that the most obvious way of checking is to look at the disk
drive? Were there any markings on the case (like a "+") to distinguish the
two?
11:30 a.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Yes, the IIc+ is plainly marked "Apple IIC
Plus" in the upper left
corner. I *think* the IIc+ is also smaller than the IIc but I'm not sure.
Nope, its the same exact dimensions.
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11:33 a.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
I should add that the //c+ may be lighter than the //c since it has a 3.5"
drive rather than the 5.25".
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Yes, the IIc+ is plainly marked "Apple IIC
Plus" in the upper left
corner. I *think* the IIc+ is also smaller than the IIc but I'm not sure.
Nope, its the same exact dimensions. 
11:58 a.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
It may have the smaller drive but the Power supply is built in.
I'll weigh them tonight and give a report.
George
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
I should add that the //c+ may be lighter than the //c since it has a 3.5"
drive rather than the 5.25".
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Yes, the IIc+ is plainly marked "Apple IIC
Plus" in the upper left
corner. I *think* the IIc+ is also smaller than the IIc but I'm not sure.
Nope, its the same exact dimensions.
1:12 p.m.
New subject: Apple //c vs //c+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, George Rachor wrote:
It may have the smaller drive but the Power supply is
built in.
Yes, but the power supply does not add that much weight. I think you'll
find the //c+ is lighter due to the significant difference in weight
between a 5.25" drive and a 3.5".
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12:11 a.m.
At 08:02 PM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
At 09:59 AM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
Short form... the ][c+ has an integral 3.5 inch drive, where the ][c has
an integral 5.25 inch drive...
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And I already have a ][c+.
Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does one distinguish it from the
normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?)
Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a
//c? 
3 Mar
3 Mar
8:20 p.m.
On 3 Mar 99 at 22:11, James Willing wrote:
At 08:02 PM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
The ][c+ also had an 8-pin mini-DIN serial port as opposed to the
5 pin mini on the ][c
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
At 09:59 AM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
Short form... the ][c+ has an integral 3.5 inch drive, where the ][c has
an integral 5.25 inch drive...
-jim
---
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The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
And I already have a ][c+.
Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does one distinguish it from the
normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?)
Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a
//c? 
4 Mar
4 Mar
3:29 a.m.
New subject: IIc vs IIc+
At 09:59 AM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote:
Everyone needs a IIc, but some don't know it yet. ;)
IIc
Basically a Apple IIe with all the trimmings in a nice small cheap package.
First time I saw one I knew I had to get it, and the feeling hasn't
changed. It is laptop sized, cute little handle in the back, works with a
TV or video monitor, and well its cute. It also seems durable like the
early II series given the samples I have seen that survived grade schools.
IIc plus
(mine has the word plus in nice script after the IIc on the case). The last
effort at the Apple II series (discontinued in 1993 or something?). I find
it the perfect compliment to the IIgs (which is faster etc. and has slots,
but isn't a cute little portable thing). Builtin power supply, and 3.5
instead of 5.25 inch internal floppy drive are the obvious differences
(along with the "plus" on the case). The IIc+ uses the smaller Din8
connectors like the IIgs, and will support 4 floppy drives (great little
copy station.).
Retail price information
Its weird, so sorry if this isn't much of an explaination. On eBay the IIc+
is the prized machine, and a nice complete system sells for $75. At
swapmeets the IIc gets grabbed up, especially complete systems which I have
seen "traders" buy for $40 and smile. Apparently this is something to do
with Kawai (Japanese appreciation of "cute" items), and the units are
shipped to Japan. I have had such traders offer to trade me straight across
a IIc+ for a IIc (w PS), and I bought my IIc+ for $10 while a trader was
haggling with the dealer for a $40 IIc system and ignoring the IIc+. Go
figure.
Retail fair prices:
IIc+ $35
IIc $11
IIc external power supply $10
IIc matching green monitor $12
IIc matching monitor stand $8
IIc LCD display $35
External drives vary from $5 to $12
Manuals, original software, and assesssories $25 to $50
And I already have a ][c+.
Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does one distinguish it from the
normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?)
Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a
//c?
11:28 a.m.
New subject: IIc vs IIc+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
IIc external power supply $10
More like $5
IIc matching green monitor $12
IIc matching monitor stand $8
$8 just for the monitor stand? Both together should only fetch $10.
IIc LCD display $35
This is way out of touch. I've never seen a //c LCD display go on the net
for under $200 (this includes newsgroups and not ebay so this is not an
inflated price, not many of these were made). Of course if you're lucky
you'll find one in a thrift store for $3.
Manuals, original software, and assesssories $25 to
$50
You mean a bundle right? $50 is pretty high for a bundle of software and
manuals and had better include a whole lot of stuff (like a trunkload). A
decent stack of manuals and software would only be half a grocery bag and
should be $10 - $15 at the most.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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11:38 p.m.
New subject: IIc vs IIc+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
First let me say there is no ONE price, thats a big reason eBay does so
much traffic, prices vary greatly in different geographic regions. They
vary just as much depending on buyer and seller too. I would no more pay
$10 for a IIc power supply than I would be willing to sell one for $5, but
I bought all that I have for less than $3, and sold all that I have sold
for $9 (but I sell at bargain prices ;)
Regarding stand and monitor, I am just noting what I see as a existing
price structure. The people who export IIc's pay $20 for a IIc and power
supply, and $40 when you include a monitor and stand. The stand seems
harder to find than the monitor too.
Regarding the LCD, next one I see I grab, but I bet a twenty does the trick.
Regarding the "bundle", no I mean including the basic set of manuals and
startup software, with maybe half a dozen more floppies which don't have to
be originals. More and more it seems collectors are willing to pay a solid
premium for completeness. Be reasonable, its a lot more work to get a
complete set of anything together, and it means you don't sell the first
items you accquire for maybe months while you hunt down the rest. Anyway, I
am just noting what people seem willing to pay.
IIc external power supply $10
More like $5
IIc matching green monitor $12
IIc matching monitor stand $8
$8 just for the monitor stand? Both together should only fetch $10.
IIc LCD display $35
This is way out of touch. I've never seen a //c LCD display go on the net
for under $200 (this includes newsgroups and not ebay so this is not an
inflated price, not many of these were made). Of course if you're lucky
you'll find one in a thrift store for $3.
Manuals, original software, and assesssories $25
to $50
You mean a bundle right? $50 is pretty high for a bundle of software and
manuals and had better include a whole lot of stuff (like a trunkload). A
decent stack of manuals and software would only be half a grocery bag and
should be $10 - $15 at the most.
5 Mar
5 Mar
1:49 a.m.
New subject: IIc vs IIc+
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Regarding stand and monitor, I am just noting what I
see as a existing
price structure. The people who export IIc's pay $20 for a IIc and power
supply, and $40 when you include a monitor and stand. The stand seems
harder to find than the monitor too.
Well then we should make the distinction that the prices you are quoting
are what dealers will pay to re-sell to people in Japan. Domestic prices
are far more reasonable. I bring up the point to avoid artificially
inflating the price for otherwise common computer items.
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6:46 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
5:54 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
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*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
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11:32 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Don,
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad "PCW" ?
John Amirault
Don Maslin wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
6 Mar
6 Mar
12:59 a.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad
"PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
Don Maslin wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/ 
7:29 a.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Hey Don, we were given two of the 8256's in a rcent donation. I've seen
them running, and they are a nice CP/M machine, except for the flaky
drives. I was particularly impressed with the the Locasoft Word
Processor, but then, I like word processors. Still looking for Lexitron
software....
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Don Maslin
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad
"PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
Don Maslin wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
5:14 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
Hey Don, we were given two of the 8256's in a rcent donation. I've seen
them running, and they are a nice CP/M machine, except for the flaky
drives. I was particularly impressed with the the Locasoft Word
Processor, but then, I like word processors. Still looking for Lexitron
software....
Me too!
- don
SNIP
11:01 a.m.
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12:50 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Hi,
I have had two people respond to my inquiry on the CF-2 floppy disks.
These people are Sellam Ismail and Don Maslin. I have decided I want to
keep one blank disk for display, as I have never seen disks like these
before. This leaves five disks that are blank and one disk with CP/M
Programming Utilities on one side and Dr. Logo & Help on the other
side. Don and Sellam, I leave it between you two to discuss who gets
what. I will abide by your decision on this. I do think that the disk
with Dr. logo on it is worth more than the blank ones at fifty cents
each plus actual shipping, though I do not know what it should be.
John Amirault
Don Maslin wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad
"PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
Don Maslin wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
Hi All,
I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
TIA,
John Amirault
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
9:52 a.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Just an observation, but I think Elliam Associates sells new CF-2's.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Hi,
I have had two people respond to my inquiry on the CF-2 floppy disks.
These people are Sellam Ismail and Don Maslin. I have decided I want to
keep one blank disk for display, as I have never seen disks like these
before. This leaves five disks that are blank and one disk with CP/M
Programming Utilities on one side and Dr. Logo & Help on the other
side. Don and Sellam, I leave it between you two to discuss who gets
what. I will abide by your decision on this. I do think that the disk
with Dr. logo on it is worth more than the blank ones at fifty cents
each plus actual shipping, though I do not know what it should be.
John Amirault
Don Maslin wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad
"PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
Don Maslin wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
- don
> Hi All,
>
> I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
> and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
> 4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
> on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
> CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
> THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
> sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
> sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
>
> TIA,
> John Amirault
>
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
12:43 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Merle,
How much does Elliam Associates sell the CF-2's for?
John Amirault
Merle K. Peirce wrote:
Just an observation, but I think Elliam Associates
sells new CF-2's.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Hi,
I have had two people respond to my inquiry on the CF-2 floppy disks.
These people are Sellam Ismail and Don Maslin. I have decided I want to
keep one blank disk for display, as I have never seen disks like these
before. This leaves five disks that are blank and one disk with CP/M
Programming Utilities on one side and Dr. Logo & Help on the other
side. Don and Sellam, I leave it between you two to discuss who gets
what. I will abide by your decision on this. I do think that the disk
with Dr. logo on it is worth more than the blank ones at fifty cents
each plus actual shipping, though I do not know what it should be.
John Amirault
Don Maslin wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad
"PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
Don Maslin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
>
> Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
> - don
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one side
> > and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide and
> > 4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254. Another
> > on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
> > CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
> > THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
> > sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
> > sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
> >
> > TIA,
> > John Amirault
> >
>
> donm(a)cts.com
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
> *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
> see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
> visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
> with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
2:46 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
They were around a year or so ago. Probably worth another jingle.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
John Amirault wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Merle,
How much does Elliam Associates sell the CF-2's for?
Is Elliam Associates still around? I remember trying to call them for VCF
1.0 and the phone never answered.
2:40 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
I don't know, I just remember talking to the fellow there, who is an old
computer buff and he handles all the Amstrad stuff.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Merle,
How much does Elliam Associates sell the CF-2's for?
John Amirault
Merle K. Peirce wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Just an observation, but I think Elliam
Associates sells new CF-2's.
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
Hi,
I have had two people respond to my inquiry on the CF-2 floppy disks.
These people are Sellam Ismail and Don Maslin. I have decided I want to
keep one blank disk for display, as I have never seen disks like these
before. This leaves five disks that are blank and one disk with CP/M
Programming Utilities on one side and Dr. Logo & Help on the other
side. Don and Sellam, I leave it between you two to discuss who gets
what. I will abide by your decision on this. I do think that the disk
with Dr. logo on it is worth more than the blank ones at fifty cents
each plus actual shipping, though I do not know what it should be.
John Amirault
Don Maslin wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
> Can you use the disks? Just what is Amstrad "PCW" ?
Yes, I probably can, John, unless someone else has a more urgent
requirement. Once in a while I get a request for a system disk for
one of those machines.
The PCW is a Z-80 based machine by Amstrad of the UK that started out
as a word processor. They were initially sold in the US by Sears IIRC.
Fairly early on, someone took note that with a CP/M system disk it was
a pretty fair microcomputer. The two models that I am familiar with are
the PCW-8256 and the 8512. The last three digits of the model number are
a reflection of the amount of memory installed when built. (Actually,
upgrading an 8256 to be an 8512 is a matter of installing a bank of RAM
and moving a jumper so it is recognized.
They had some frailties such as a serial port being an optional - and
pricey - extra, and a Centronix looking printer port that is not
Centronix. But running CP/M-3.0, they are not a bad machine.
- don
>
> Don Maslin wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, John Amirault wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like Amstrad PCW stuff, John.
> > - don
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I came across a floppy disk that says it is DR. Logo & Help on one
side
> > > and Programming Utilities on the other side. The disk is 31/8" wide
and
> > > 4" long. It also says CP/M PLUS SERIAL # 1006/5000-1232-2732254.
Another
> > > on the disk is programs copyright DIGITAL RESEARCH INC. & AMSTRAD
> > > CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS DISK. DOES ANYONE OUT
> > > THERE HAVE A NEED FOR IT? I also came across six CF-2 disks, double
> > > sided, for single sided floppy disk drive. These disks are still
> > > sealed. Can anyone use these disks?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > John Amirault
> > >
> >
> > donm(a)cts.com
> > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> > Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> > Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> > Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> > Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
> > *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
> > see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
> > visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at
http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
> > with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
>
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
7 Mar
7 Mar
1:02 a.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
Once about every three weeks a place in Huntington Beach Ca has an auction
of computers, its not what it once was, but it still is entertaining. Main
course today was 1150 old 486 computers along with 500 other lots. I didn't
buy any of the 486's (just 10 macs), but I did see and buy some interesting
items.
Epson HX-20, circa 1983 portable computer with a microcassette for storage
and a builtin printer. This one has a expansion unit bolted to the side,
and a nice slim plastic case the whole thing fits into. It must have some
internal NiCads, but I haven't opened it up, and it didn't come with a AC
adapter (but 6 vdc isn't too tough). Looks extremely clean, including all
the rubber parts, like it spent much of the last 16 years in its case.
Skiwriter word processing software is builtin, so is basic, but the only
manual is for the former. Display is LCD 120x32, or 20 characters and 4
lines. Printer I suspect matches that. Almost forgot, one of its main
features are the ports, serial and full RS232 via 1/2 inch diameter round
connectors on the back.
Texas Instruments silent 700 terminal. Looks like a typewriter, with a
thermal printer and a acoustic coupler on the back. I toted one of these
around for a couple years in the earlier 80s with a pager, and I remember a
plastic suitcase, but this one is open.
A&J Micro Drive, date on the back is 12/6/85, this is some sort of tape
drive. The unit is small 1.5 x 3 x 5, runs on 4 internal AA batteries, and
has a cable with a DB25 shell and 6 pins in it. Tape sticks in the front,
slightly narrower than a audio cassette, and a lot thinner. Front reads
SYSTEM 100, A:, and a active/low battery light.
Things I didn't buy (and if somebodys wants requires quick action)
A pair of Digital LN03 laser printers
Xerox (I think) 645 S Memorywriter
Three boxes of circa 1988 full and half height drives, most with some sort
of card edge connection, others look very much SCSI.
Thats about it. Whew, bidding and BSing all day makes you tired. ;)
1:11 a.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
A pair of Digital LN03 laser printers
Nice enough laser printers for their day, but they tend to overheat, if
memory serves. If you get one, make SURE the fan works. Check. I seem
to recall we had problems with those on a Vax site I worked on once.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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5:09 p.m.
New subject: AMSOFT on DISK
At 00:11 07/03/99 -0700, Jim Strickland wrote:
Nice enough laser printers for their day, but they tend
to overheat, if
memory serves. If you get one, make SURE the fan works. Check. I seem
to recall we had problems with those on a Vax site I worked on once.
Sure do. When they were a relatively new product my employer of the time
decided to standardize on them. We had 8 but one was always playing up.
Digital took it back to their offices in Melbourne to see what the problem
was. Over a weekend it overheated, caught fire and almost totally destroyed
FS. They gave us a new LN03 which worked fine....
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au
Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479
1999
La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the
Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"
5:57 a.m.
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9 Mar
7:30 p.m.
New subject: HX-20 the wonder of Epson
I have the HX20 service manual....
And I thought I was good at tormenting people. ;)
Hopefully I won't have any repair questions, but I can't imagine the
battery pack is still OK after years of sitting, but didn't give much
thought to checking them. Both of the hamfests I attend each month have a
couple of battery guys with tons on old nicads etc., plus Radio shack sells
them $7.95 a pair new.
There is an internal NiCd battery, it's 4 Sub-C
cells soldered/welded
together and wired to a plug on the mainboard. It's not hard to make a
replacement pack if it fails. The 'regulation' on the Vcc line depends on
the fact that the NiCd will limit the voltage when it's on charge (the
entire machine is CMOS, so regulation isn't that critical). So don't
attempt to charge the machine without the battery in place.
Can you tell me much about the AC adapter? (why is it the adapter always
gets lost. I didn't get one with the PowerBook 5300CS I bought last
Saturday either.) I wonder if a generic adapter will be OK to use?
Skiwriter is an option, presumably an extra ROM plugged
into the spare
socket inside. There should also be a machine code monitor in ROM (select
1 from the startup menu). The BASIC is pretty standard Microsoft, with a
few extras (that I can look up) for things like controlling the cassette,
turning on/off individual pixels on the display, etc.
The printer is, indeed 20 characters wide.
The 'serial' port (5 pin) is used to connect the machine to a TF20 floppy
disk drive normally. You can also (IIRC) interconnect 2 machines by this
port.
That sounds like an item nice to find, but I am figuring out a scheme to
hook many older systems up via an inhouse BBS running to the serial ports.
The RS232 port is what it claims to be. It's an 8
pin DIN, and plugs are
I remember this as the number one feature, so people could use these as
remote terminals controlling all sorts of odd bits. I may not find a
correct cable, but finding a connector should be easy in this surplus rich
part of world. (SoCal is a huge dumping ground of old gear).
BTW how on earth do you end up with a HX-20 service manual and no HX-20?
Thanks, Mike Ford
11 p.m.
New subject: HX-20 the wonder of Epson
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Can you tell me much about the AC adapter? (why is it
the adapter always
gets lost. I didn't get one with the PowerBook 5300CS I bought last
Saturday either.) I wonder if a generic adapter will be OK to use?
DC 6V; 600mA.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
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10 Mar
10 Mar
12:53 p.m.
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New subject: IIc vs IIc+
I talked with someone that is still with Apple computer and his belief is
that the ][c LCD display made by Apple had one production run of only
about 2000. There was also a third party LCD panel that I have no
information on. At the time it was introduced it was percieved as
slightly better as it had adjustable contrast. Anyone got information on
this one?
Can I also make the assumption that the Apple ][c LCD panel will also plug
into the ][c+?
George Rachor
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George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com
Beaverton, Oregon http://racsys.rt.rain.com
United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Hans Franke wrote:
IIc LCD display $35
Has this display ever been sold in large numbers ?
Is it easy to get? I never found one over here in Germany.
Gruss
H.
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
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