16 May
2018
16 May
'18
9:13 a.m.
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC,
that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be
usefull )
The controller that goes with is? a transistor based? monster on countless small
pluginboards.
Pictures on? ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff
Anyone can identify this ?
Jos
16 May
16 May
9:45 a.m.
real slow to access? but? what? i? just? saw? was a paper tape reader Ed
?
?
In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC,
that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be
usefull )
The controller that goes with is? a transistor based? monster on countless small
pluginboards.
Pictures on? ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff
Anyone can identify this ?
Jos
9:47 a.m.
tape reader on? front? seems reads? 5? ?7 and? 8? level paper? tape ... but.... that thing
on the? ?back? ????? not? sure...? ?Ed
?
In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC,
that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be
usefull )
The controller that goes with is? a transistor based? monster on countless small
pluginboards.
Pictures on? ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff
Anyone can identify this ?
Jos
10 a.m.
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Anyone can identify this ?
if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs
M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
10:04 a.m.
http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100
On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Anyone can identify this ?
if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs
M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
10:05 a.m.
I will check this to see if there are any pictures
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349
On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100
On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Anyone can identify this ?
if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs
M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
10:13 a.m.
OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
?
?
In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:04:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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I will check this to see if there are any pictures
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349
On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm
references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100
On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Anyone can identify this ?
if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs
M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf
lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865
the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A
the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules
39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
10:43 a.m.
On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this?
directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that pic.
Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.
I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible...
Thanks for your input
Jos
10:47 a.m.
photos? are? ?fine? it? just? ?took? a? while? ?for the? ftp? to? load? at this? end ?
nice? tape? reader too? with the multiple? ?code reading ability!
?
Ed#?
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In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:43:30 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this?
directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that pic.
Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.
I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible...
Thanks for your input
Jos
11 a.m.
On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:
Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that
probably is also? CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.
Honeywell Level 66 CP
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg
11:38 a.m.
On 16.05.2018 20:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> Honeywell Level 66 CP
>
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg
That seems to be spot on...
What a beast this machine was..
Jos
12:01 p.m.
nope? ?for? a? computer !
We have? some at? SMECC also.
things weigh a? ton!
?
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In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:59:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote:
Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that
probably is also? CDC.
Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange.
Maybe for a tester rather than a computer.
Honeywell Level 66 CP
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg
5:28 p.m.
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this?
directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
?
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine
and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
g.
--
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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5:48 p.m.
On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding
"quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to
handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as
the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking
space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd.
paul
OK I see there is a mix of photos in this
directory!
some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your
text nearly unreadable. :)
5:53 p.m.
never seen it...? guess I will never? want to use alpine?
Ed#
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In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding
"quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to
handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as
the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking
space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd.
paul
OK I see there is a mix of photos in this
directory!
some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your
text nearly unreadable. :)
5:58 p.m.
I? would? assume? there is? a? switch option in? that mail? reader? that? will enable or?
disable the? reading of the? ?chars?
?
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In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding
"quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to
handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as
the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking
space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd.
paul
OK I see there is a mix of photos in this
directory!
some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your
text nearly unreadable. :)
17 May
17 May
7:06 a.m.
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Paul Koning wrote:
There's no rational reason to MIME encode the *body* of an email, unless
of course they're using some badly written horror show that thinks HTML
and embedded graphics are perfectly acceptable. (Those people tend to
top-post as well, so they're basically irredeemable at that point. :) )
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding
"quoted-printable",
not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime
headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as
the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for
"non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed
anything odd. OK I see there is a mix of photos in this
directory!
some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics.
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your
text nearly unreadable. :) 
12:53 a.m.
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed
has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)
Christian
OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this?
directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
?
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk
characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
7:11 a.m.
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
Understatement of the century. :) It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed
with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes,
Ed has the talent to write illegible postings ;-) OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this?
directory!
some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
?
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk
characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
makes your text nearly unreadable. :) 
7:16 a.m.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:11 AM, geneb via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk
wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
Understatement of the century. :) It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed
with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.
Sometimes it's ALL CAPS. Maybe Ed has a Model 26 Teletype hooked up in lieu
of his computer's keyboard?
Kyle
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory!
I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed
has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)
some tape reader some drum 2 separate
topics.
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and
it makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
16 May
16 May
7:25 p.m.
On 05/16/2018 11:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed
he
has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like
a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small
to be usefull )
The controller that goes with is a transistor based
monster on countless small pluginboards.
Pictures on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff
Yes, it is a drum, for sure. Seems to have a LOT of heads.
The controller may be a regular disk controller, or can be
used with both. I noticed an "on cylinder" light on the
panel. But, it should be pretty easy to repurpose a disk
controller to handle a head-per-track drum.
Jon
17 May
17 May
8:38 a.m.
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed
he has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum
memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
The controller that goes with is? a transistor based? monster on countless small
pluginboards.
If you get back over there, try to find CDC ID tags on the drum and controller.
There would normally be a model number badge somewhere on the outside.
Being that there was a 350 paper tape reader, I'm guessing its for one of their
smaller systems,
maybe an early model 1700
11:33 a.m.
On 05/16/2018 09:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed
he has a strange
thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then
again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
The controller that goes with is? a transistor based? monster on
countless small pluginboards.
Pictures on? ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff
Finally got enough patience to let the images load.
Pulling a guess out of the thin air or some other place, my guess would
be a CDC Digigraphics controller, which used drums for display refresh.
--Chuck
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