At 16:33 17/01/2005 -0500, you wrote: Actually - I ment to say 18 --- But I only counted one side, and my brain failed to perform the x2 for DIP between my eyes and fingers ... Thats why I said these are obviously not standard 4116 DRAM's - they are 18 pin devices! regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html