14 Nov
2000
14 Nov
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4:32 a.m.
Claude asked (of a Sun Sparc2)
> It will run Linux right?
Zane added:
It looks like it, plus it should run SunOS, Solaris,
NetBSD, and OpenBSD.
Cool table of SPEC(int,fp), Zane. Thanks! Where's this from?
I believe NeXTStep/OpenStep will also run on those machines. My "dream
machine" would be a SS5/110, couple Gigs HD space, OpenStep 4.2/Dev,
Mathematica, Trinitron Monitor ... <salivate> ...
- Mark
14 Nov
14 Nov
5:21 a.m.
Mark Tapley wrote:
Claude asked (of a Sun Sparc2)
Hmm.. an HP 735/125 will also run NeXTStep, it is twice
as fast, much cheaper than the SS5, and nice monitors like
the 19" A2094A (trinitron) are cheap these days. I have both
an SS5 and a 735/125, and believe me, the speed difference
shows.
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> It will run Linux right?
Zane added:
It looks like it, plus it should run SunOS,
Solaris, NetBSD, and OpenBSD.
Cool table of SPEC(int,fp), Zane. Thanks! Where's this from?
I believe NeXTStep/OpenStep will also run on those machines. My "dream
machine" would be a SS5/110, couple Gigs HD space, OpenStep 4.2/Dev,
Mathematica, Trinitron Monitor ... <salivate> ...
- Mark 
10:40 a.m.
Hmm.. an HP 735/125 will also run NeXTStep, it is
twice
as fast, much cheaper than the SS5, and nice monitors like
the 19" A2094A (trinitron) are cheap these days. I have both
an SS5 and a 735/125, and believe me, the speed difference
shows.
Well, by the same standpoint a properly outfitted Pentium III will blow away
either the SS5 or the HP 735/125. The Pentium III will run both
NeXTstep/OPENSTEP and Solaris. I've got Solaris 7 on a Dual 400Mhz Celeron,
it screams! Sometimes though the coolness factor of the hardware makes up
for the speed :^)
Zane
11:11 a.m.
Hmm.. an HP
735/125 will also run NeXTStep, it is twice
as fast, much cheaper than the SS5, and nice monitors like
the 19" A2094A (trinitron) are cheap these days. I have both
an SS5 and a 735/125, and believe me, the speed difference
shows.
Well, by the same standpoint a properly outfitted Pentium III will blow away
either the SS5 or the HP 735/125. The Pentium III will run both
NeXTstep/OPENSTEP and Solaris. I've got Solaris 7 on a Dual 400Mhz Celeron,
it screams! Sometimes though the coolness factor of the hardware makes up
for the speed :^)
Zane
11:38 a.m.
Pentium III, hell the K6-2/450 here with Solaris 8
beat the
UltraSparc10 (300MHZ)... (gcc compile and build of an object over NFS with
the same server).
Amazing that my home toy outperforms the work box.
Both had IDE drives and 128mb memory.
(Personally, I prefer FreeBSD on the K6... but that wasn't what I was
testing in the benchmark)...
Bill
Now, you want the really scarry part? Price what it would cost you to get a
nice SparcStation 20 (5 year old system) with say 1 SM71 CPU, 128MB RAM, 4GB
HD, and 8-Bit graphics. Then price what you can get if you go buy *new* PC
hardware that will run Solaris! Shoot, just price a nice SS20 on eBay then
the PC hardware at your local shop, even that can be scarry!
Zane
11:54 a.m.
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Which is why we deploy generic x86 boxes (mostly Penguins as of late, since
they're nice and inexpensive little rack mount boxes) running Sol 2.8 x86
rather than sparcs whenever we can. Oracle running on a single processor
700 MHz PIII is an amazing site to behold when compared to it running on
a dual processor 420R -- even when the 420R has a gig more memory installed
than the x86 machine.
The only time we deploy sparcs these days is when there's some third-party
piece hunk of code that doesn't run on some form of X86 unix. The price-performance
is a complete no-brainer, and if the X86 box breaks I can find spares pretty
much anywhere.
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Pentium III, hell the K6-2/450 here with Solaris
8 beat the
UltraSparc10 (300MHZ)... (gcc compile and build of an object over NFS with
the same server).
Amazing that my home toy outperforms the work box.
Both had IDE drives and 128mb memory.
(Personally, I prefer FreeBSD on the K6... but that wasn't what I was
testing in the benchmark)...
Bill
Now, you want the really scarry part? Price what it would cost you to get a
nice SparcStation 20 (5 year old system) with say 1 SM71 CPU, 128MB RAM, 4GB
HD, and 8-Bit graphics. Then price what you can get if you go buy *new* PC
hardware that will run Solaris! Shoot, just price a nice SS20 on eBay then
the PC hardware at your local shop, even that can be scarry!
2:07 p.m.
Pentium III,
hell the K6-2/450 here with Solaris 8 beat the
UltraSparc10 (300MHZ)... (gcc compile and build of an object over NFS with
the same server).
Amazing that my home toy outperforms the work box.
Both had IDE drives and 128mb memory.
(Personally, I prefer FreeBSD on the K6... but that wasn't what I was
testing in the benchmark)...
Bill
Now, you want the really scarry part? Price what it would cost you to get a
nice SparcStation 20 (5 year old system) with say 1 SM71 CPU, 128MB RAM, 4GB
HD, and 8-Bit graphics. Then price what you can get if you go buy *new* PC
hardware that will run Solaris! Shoot, just price a nice SS20 on eBay then
the PC hardware at your local shop, even that can be scarry!
Zane 
3:56 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 08:07:00PM -0500, Bill Pechter wrote:
I've got a 420R at work -- and I think a multicpu
PIII would put it to
shame in the price/performance area.
*until* you get into serious I/O. Thats when the SPARCs beat the pants
off everything else.
Bill
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5:03 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 08:07:00PM -0500, Bill Pechter
wrote:
How many PCI busses does the average multicpu PIII server have? We manage
to push quite a few bits through the 6 PCI busses of our Enterprise 450s.
(Actually we're only using 3 right now with a 3 channel SCSI RAID card on
each. It doesn't take much to saturate a PCI bus.)
Then again we have the advantage of having gotten our 450 machines free. :)
Eric
I've got a 420R at work -- and I think a
multicpu PIII would put it to
shame in the price/performance area.
*until* you get into serious I/O. Thats when the SPARCs beat the pants
off everything else.
5:20 p.m.
Bill Bradford wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 08:07:00PM -0500, Bill Pechter
wrote:
Nope, when you get into *serious* I/O you switch to either IBM or HP. We've
found that we're having to move off of Sparc's because of I/O bottlenecks.
Guess that's what happens when you're shifting Terabytes of data though....
Zane
I've got a 420R at work -- and I think a
multicpu PIII would put it to
shame in the price/performance area.
*until* you get into serious I/O. Thats when the SPARCs beat the pants
off everything else. 
5:16 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Bill Pechter wrote:
Which is why all my Sparcs are dumpster dive refugees
(Sparc2's some
with Sparc-UP double clocking. A Sparc10's still a useful machine to
me, since it runs Solaris 8 and can run FrameMaker...
For me, a Sun 4/110 is still a useful fileserver; that's about all
it's used for, but, four shoeboxes with 5-1/4" drives spinning is
rather nice, and will do until I can get (and get space for!) a disk
farm of 14" Fujitsu Super Eagles, or even 9" CDC drives attached to a
largish mini. :-) ...that reminds me, I've got to get my 9" CDC drive
out of the living room and attached to one of my PDP-11s.
That's why I was deploying dual boot
Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris8 and Win9x/NT
boxes at work... The best of both worlds.
Sounds good except for the Windoze software... maybe you could replace
that with OpenBSD to add some system security ... or replace
LuzedozeNT with TSX-32. (donning asbestos suit and ducking! :-)
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3:55 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 02:38:04PM -0800, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Price what it would cost you to get a
nice SparcStation 20 (5 year old system) with say 1 SM71 CPU, 128MB RAM, 4GB
HD, and 8-Bit graphics.
I'd say $250ish. Seen em cheaper.
Bill
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Austin, TX
8:43 p.m.
New subject: NextStep/OpenStep on PC?
> Well, by the same standpoint a properly outfitted
Pentium III will blow away
> either the SS5 or the HP 735/125. The Pentium III will run both
> NeXTstep/OPENSTEP and Solaris. I've got Solaris 7 on a Dual 400Mhz Celeron,
Now this is interesting. Where can you get it? Last I remember xStep was
purchase by Sun when Next folded , wasn't it?
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15 Nov
8:30 a.m.
New subject: NextStep/OpenStep on PC?
Well, by the same standpoint a properly outfitted
Pentium III will
blow away
either the SS5 or the HP 735/125. The Pentium
III will run both
NeXTstep/OPENSTEP and Solaris. I've got Solaris 7 on a Dual 400Mhz
Celeron,
2:23 p.m.
New subject: NextStep/OpenStep on PC?
At 08:43 AM 11/15/00 +0100, you wrote:
Now this is interesting. Where can you get it? Last I
remember xStep was
purchase by Sun when Next folded , wasn't it?
NeXT was purchased by Apple after Jobs took the helm back over.
NeXTstep/Openstep is the basis of Mac OS X with it's MACH kernel.
Jeff
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14 Nov
11:14 a.m.
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
I think that HP workstation hardware _is_ cool ;-).
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Hmm.. an HP
735/125 will also run NeXTStep, it is twice
as fast, much cheaper than the SS5, and nice monitors like
the 19" A2094A (trinitron) are cheap these days. I have both
an SS5 and a 735/125, and believe me, the speed difference
shows.
Well, by the same standpoint a properly outfitted Pentium III will blow away
either the SS5 or the HP 735/125. The Pentium III will run both
NeXTstep/OPENSTEP and Solaris. I've got Solaris 7 on a Dual 400Mhz Celeron,
it screams! Sometimes though the coolness factor of the hardware makes up
for the speed :^)
Zane
15 Nov
15 Nov
2:11 p.m.
At 05:14 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
I think that HP workstation hardware _is_ cool ;-).
I always thought the NeXT hardware was pretty cool. I've never been able
to come up with a Cube, but have had two NeXTstation Color systems over the
years. NeXT customer service even helped me bypass the root password on
the first one when it was retired without being reset.
Jeff
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2:57 p.m.
Actually about the Next password...
I've got the hardware password reset but haven't been able to get past the
root password.
The original owner (several years ago) suggested I send the drive back to
him and he would set the password to some known state then return the
drive.
I was trying to accumulate enough System software to blow the original
install away and load mine... Just haven't been able to do that yet.
George Rachor
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Jeff Hellige wrote:
At 05:14 PM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
I think that HP workstation hardware _is_ cool
;-).
I always thought the NeXT hardware was pretty cool. I've never been able
to come up with a Cube, but have had two NeXTstation Color systems over the
years. NeXT customer service even helped me bypass the root password on
the first one when it was retired without being reset.
Jeff
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14 Nov
10:37 a.m.
Claude asked (of a Sun Sparc2)
I've got a specific DejaNews post bookmarked, I find it easier to deal with
than the Spec site. Here are links to both (watch out for line wrapping):
http://x28.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=499362439&CONTEXT=932409494.40704…
http://www.specbench.org/
> It will run Linux right?
Zane added:
It looks like it, plus it should run SunOS,
Solaris, NetBSD, and OpenBSD.
Cool table of SPEC(int,fp), Zane. Thanks! Where's this from? I believe NeXTStep/OpenStep will also run on those
machines. My "dream
machine" would be a SS5/110, couple Gigs HD space, OpenStep 4.2/Dev,
Mathematica, Trinitron Monitor ... <salivate> ...
Odd that you should mention that. I was just thinking yesterday that it might
be neat to get OpenStep 4.2 up and running on a HD for the SS10 I just got.
I'm not sure what the hardware requirements are, but I think the Developer
CD I've got has all four platforms on it.
Zane
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