18 Jun
2012
18 Jun
'12
11:37 a.m.
Has anyone (probably!) hacked together a PSU for a C64 using a PC PSU? How
close do the AC lines have to be to a 9V sine wave?
I've got someone offering me an unknown-condition C64/1541/1702 which is
missing its PSU (and possibly the cable between the drive and computer), so
if I do bite I'd be looking to do a quick hack just to see how operational
everything is before I go trying to find a genuine PSU from somewhere.
TBH, I'm not sure what my options are for getting software onto disk,
either - it's not clear whether the current owner has any media at all (I
get the impression that they've just unearthed the machine in storage, but
various bits that they once had have gone missing over the years). A quick
google seems to suggest that there are ways and means though, given that
I'd have a 1541 (if it works ;)
cheers
Jules
18 Jun
18 Jun
1:05 p.m.
I'd think there has to be something on the web about hacking a
powersupply together. A few years back I went looking for a specific
model of 3rd party supply that was recommended to me and got one off
eBay.
My main C64 has two different interfaces that take SD cards, much
nicer than dealing with floppies.
10-15 years ago it was pretty easy to hack a cable together that
would let your PC talk to a 1541 drive. Not sure about now, there
are USB versions, but I think they take a lot more effort.
Zane
At 10:37 AM -0500 6/18/12, Jules Richardson wrote:
Has anyone (probably!) hacked together a PSU for a C64
using a PC
PSU? How close do the AC lines have to be to a 9V sine wave?
I've got someone offering me an unknown-condition C64/1541/1702
which is missing its PSU (and possibly the cable between the drive
and computer), so if I do bite I'd be looking to do a quick hack
just to see how operational everything is before I go trying to find
a genuine PSU from somewhere.
TBH, I'm not sure what my options are for getting software onto
disk, either - it's not clear whether the current owner has any
media at all (I get the impression that they've just unearthed the
machine in storage, but various bits that they once had have gone
missing over the years). A quick google seems to suggest that there
are ways and means though, given that I'd have a 1541 (if it works ;)
cheers
Jules
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1:12 p.m.
Zane,
Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best USB option is still the
zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the g64 format,so there should be something
there as well.
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:05:45 -0700
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: healyzh at aracnet.com
Subject: Re: C64 temporary PSU
I'd think there has to be something on the web about hacking a
powersupply together. A few years back I went looking for a specific
model of 3rd party supply that was recommended to me and got one off
eBay.
My main C64 has two different interfaces that take SD cards, much
nicer than dealing with floppies.
10-15 years ago it was pretty easy to hack a cable together that
would let your PC talk to a 1541 drive. Not sure about now, there
are USB versions, but I think they take a lot more effort.
Zane
At 10:37 AM -0500 6/18/12, Jules Richardson wrote:
Has anyone (probably!) hacked together a PSU for a
C64 using a PC
PSU? How close do the AC lines have to be to a 9V sine wave?
I've got someone offering me an unknown-condition C64/1541/1702
which is missing its PSU (and possibly the cable between the drive
and computer), so if I do bite I'd be looking to do a quick hack
just to see how operational everything is before I go trying to find
a genuine PSU from somewhere.
TBH, I'm not sure what my options are for getting software onto
disk, either - it's not clear whether the current owner has any
media at all (I get the impression that they've just unearthed the
machine in storage, but various bits that they once had have gone
missing over the years). A quick google seems to suggest that there
are ways and means though, given that I'd have a 1541 (if it works ;)
cheers
Jules
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| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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1:59 p.m.
At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
Zane,
Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best USB
option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the g64 format,so there
should be something there as well.
I'm still feeling burned after buying a Zorro2 Catweasel in the late
90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support 'x'
formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
I'm really pleased with the uIEC from Jim Brain.
I also have the MMC Replay cart with the RR-Net expansion (the new
Chameleon 64 looks quite interesting).
My only problem is that Wasteland won't run from either solution.
Though I guess I should dig out my DOS floppies and see if I can get
them running under FreeDOS on Parallels Desktop on my Mac.
Zane
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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2:57 p.m.
At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>Zane,
>Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.
"HAS a method" ??!?
>best USB option is still the zoomfloppy
(xumfloppy).
THAT may be what he was asking.
>Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the
g64 format,so there
>should be something there as well.
AGAIN, he asked about cabling a C64 drive to
a PC, which probably means
that he wants FILEs, not flux transitions.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I'm still feeling burned after buying a Zorro2
Catweasel in the late
90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support 'x'
formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
BTDT.
"will support"
There needs to be MUCH greater care to differentiate and disambiguate
"could" V "would".
Eventually, somebody will write software that permits that hardware to
transfer FILEs.
There are two parts to the problem: software to convert the raw flux
transition data into sectors, preferably with a calling structure similar
to INT13h,
AND
software to handle the alien file system, which several of us have done
before.
ONLY when both parts of the software are functional and successfully
linked with each other, THEN it could be said that it "supports x",
without it being a BOGUS stretch from "could support it, IF
nonexistent software, . . . ".
And THEN, AND ONLY THEN, it could be an appropriate answer when somebody
asks how to get their files from x.
OK, howzbout: "The solution is simply buy or build a CatWeasel,
DiskFerret, OptionBoard, or other flux transition device, and just write
those two trivial pieces of software!"
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:51 p.m.
the solution you're looking for is zoomfloppy (XUMfloppy)USB connection to a PC, works
perfectly
once you have g64/d64 images use d64edit or such for editing, copying files, etcworks
wonderfully
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:57:35 -0700
From: cisin at xenosoft.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: C64 temporary PSU
At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>Zane,
>Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.
"HAS a method" ??!?
>best USB option is still the zoomfloppy
(xumfloppy).
THAT may be what he was asking.
>Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on
the g64 format,so there
>should be something there as well.
AGAIN, he asked about cabling a C64 drive
to a PC, which probably means
that he wants FILEs, not flux transitions.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I'm still feeling burned after buying a
Zorro2 Catweasel in the late
90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support 'x'
formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
BTDT.
"will support"
There needs to be MUCH greater care to differentiate and disambiguate
"could" V "would".
Eventually, somebody will write software that permits that hardware to
transfer FILEs.
There are two parts to the problem: software to convert the raw flux
transition data into sectors, preferably with a calling structure similar
to INT13h,
AND
software to handle the alien file system, which several of us have done
before.
ONLY when both parts of the software are functional and successfully
linked with each other, THEN it could be said that it "supports x",
without it being a BOGUS stretch from "could support it, IF
nonexistent software, . . . ".
And THEN, AND ONLY THEN, it could be an appropriate answer when somebody
asks how to get their files from x.
OK, howzbout: "The solution is simply buy or build a CatWeasel,
DiskFerret, OptionBoard, or other flux transition device, and just write
those two trivial pieces of software!"
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
6:14 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
the solution you're looking for is zoomfloppy
(XUMfloppy)USB connection
to a PC, works perfectly once you have g64/d64 images use d64edit or
such for editing, copying files, etcworks wonderfully
I think that that is EXACTLY what the original poster is looking for!
For MYSELF, I'm content with an MSD-SD2 (third party drive for Commodore
with GPIB) connected to a GPIB (IEEE-488) card in a 5160.
But I haven't been active with any of THAT lately.
I'm too lazy and overwhelmed right now (health issues and work), but
eventually I'd like to get around to doing an INT13h-like"sector" driver
for flux transition devices. But then I wouldn't have any excuse not to
resume expansion of XenoCopy, . . .
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
9:03 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
For MYSELF, I'm content with an MSD-SD2 (third
party drive for Commodore
with GPIB) connected to a GPIB (IEEE-488) ?card in a 5160.
But I haven't been active with any of THAT lately.
That sounds interesting. What are you using for software?
-ethan
4:29 p.m.
> Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a
1541 to a PC.best USB
> option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
[...]
I'm really pleased with the uIEC from Jim Brain.
Another pleased person with both solutions. I heavily use my ZoomFloppy with
my Power Mac. Jim, I sent you an E-mail about PowerPC OpenCBM binaries but
I haven't heard back from you. I put them up here:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/ppcp/
For those who think a great use for their "old" Power Mac would be as a
disk imaging workstation, the binaries require 10.4.
I also have the MMC Replay cart with the RR-Net
expansion (the new
Chameleon 64 looks quite interesting).
I love RRNet. I was originally an ardent fan of the Lantronix UDS-10
solution, and still am as a general way to "bolt on" TCP/IP to a serial
port, but the RRNet is a wonderfully flexible device and environments
like KipperBASIC make it a joy to program.
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19 Jun
19 Jun
1:07 a.m.
On 6/18/2012 3:29 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
My apologies. I made an update to the page
to link to your port, but it
appears it is still in draft. I'll see if I can fix that this week.
Jim
> Catweasel
definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best USB
> option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
[...]
I'm really pleased with the uIEC from Jim
Brain.
Another pleased person with both solutions. I heavily use my ZoomFloppy
with
my Power Mac. Jim, I sent you an E-mail about PowerPC OpenCBM binaries but
I haven't heard back from you. I put them up here:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/ppcp/
18 Jun
18 Jun
7:19 p.m.
On 6/18/2012 12:59 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
I'm happy to refund your purchase 100% if you're not satisfied with the
ZoomFloppy.
I understand your concern, though.
Zane,
Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best USB
option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the g64 format,so there
should be something there as well.
I'm still feeling burned after buying a Zorro2 Catweasel in the late
90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support 'x'
formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
9:07 p.m.
Jim, this product works so well, I'D refund his money if he's not happy.
:)
Dan.
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:19:45 -0500
From: brain at jbrain.com
To:
Subject: Re: C64 temporary PSU
On 6/18/2012 12:59 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
I'm happy to refund your purchase 100% if you're not satisfied with the
ZoomFloppy.
I understand your concern, though. Zane,
Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best USB
option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the g64 format,so there
should be something there as well.
I'm still feeling burned after buying a Zorro2 Catweasel in the late
90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support 'x'
formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
10:59 p.m.
At 6:19 PM -0500 6/18/12, Jim Brain wrote:
On 6/18/2012 12:59 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Jim,
Just to note, I have faith in your solutions. I was simply
commenting on Catweasel. I didn't even know about Zoomfloppy, though
in my case, I think I can just use uIEC (which I've been very happy
with), or MMC Replay.
My problem is that Jens Schoenfeld seems to be a bit too much into
"marketing hype", which isn't to say that he hasn't come out with
some great stuff (as he has some great stuff), just that I'm paranoid
when he's involved.
Zane
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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At 1:12 PM -0400 6/18/12, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
I'm happy to refund your purchase 100% if you're not satisfied with
the ZoomFloppy.
I understand your concern, though. Zane,
Catweasel definitely has a method to connect a 1541 to a PC.best
USB option is still the zoomfloppy (xumfloppy).
Kyroflux just recently did a TON of work on the g64 format,so
there should be something there as well.
I'm still feeling burned after buying a Zorro2 Catweasel in the
late 90's. I don't appreciate being told a product will support
'x' formats when in reality it wouldn't as there were no drivers.
2:36 p.m.
On 06/18/2012 12:05 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I'd think there has to be something on the web
about hacking a powersupply
together.
I did wonder if there might be!
I suppose just for testing I can use a PC PSU for the +5V and see if I can
get hold of a 9V AC supply (local thrift stores are awash with discarded
wall-warts, printers supplies etc.). A quick google seemed to suggest that
the 9V side needed to be quite meaty, but perhaps that's only for a system
with cassette and a heavy load on the user port...
10-15 years ago it was pretty easy to hack a cable
together that would let
your PC talk to a 1541 drive. Not sure about now, there are USB versions,
but I think they take a lot more effort.
I do have a couple of PCs here with RS232 and parallel, assuming one or the
other was needed - just a case of whether the PC-side software is still
available, I suppose.
cheers
Jules
2:01 p.m.
* On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:37:42AM -0500, Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at
gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone (probably!) hacked together a PSU for a C64 using a PC
PSU? How close do the AC lines have to be to a 9V sine wave?
I've not tried to hack a PC supply, but I have made a hacked C64 power
supply out of two "wall wart" converters. One 120V to 9V AC-AC
converter, and one 120V to +5V (3A or better) regulated AC-DC converter.
Cut the ends off, solder them to the correct pins on a 7-pin DIN, and
you're golden. It requires two plugs to operate, and is definitely an
ugly kludge, but it works in a pinch.
TBH, I'm not sure what my options are for getting
software onto disk,
I use (and recommend) a ZoomFloppy, which I've had great success
with. http://store.go4retro.com/zoomfloppy/ Just plug a 1541 into it
and transfer images back and forth over USB. Pretty nifty.
-Seth
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