But a GUI sure makes thing a great deal easier. I have to deal with things that do not talk like a DOS, Windows, Unix, whatever box - typically Cisco routers and a slew of different types of CSUs. If I had to use a single screen of text to move configurations between machines, I would go nuts! When I copy access lists, interface configurations, etc., I thank the people that made GUIs popular. It does not matter if I am using a Thinkpad, an old XTerm, or an Ultra - when the clock is ticking on a maintenance window, I can use anything that makes life easier. And that was not too bad - as long as you had one document to deal with. What about developing a good sized application in C? Having separate windows for different chunks of code is very nice. Yes folks, technology marches on, and generally gets better... William Donzelli william(a)ans.net