13 May
2004
13 May
'04
7:15 a.m.
There are many areas of "collectors" that can't give up any parts of
their collections.
My grandfather had an old corn crib that was full of partial parts and
containers of stuff from the orchard and farm. There were tractor
parts, mower parts, sprayer parts, wagon parts, and picking bags. You
could not just drive to the store for a part when something failed.
After he died I looked through it, saved some unique items and it was an
education of how farming used to be versus what it is today. I don't
think he thought he was a collector just a farmer.
Currently I have neighbors who are sailors and their back lots are a
collection of boat parts. I have seen more hasty repairs from the
collections. The local community would like to clean up "junk" however
one person's junk is another's treasure. It's probably related to
availability, if you have a broken boat and need a part then the closest
part is the best.
Then there are the car people! I don't know enough to comment.
You have never seen stuff until you meet some "horse people", they have
more tack, ribbons and stuff than most.
I'm the computer person. The nice thing about computers is they don't
eat, and need veterinarians.
This weekend is a general community cleanup and I'm keeping my eyes open
for any neat computer stuff. Last year I got an HP 7550 pen plotter
from the dumpster. Of course I will have to negotiate
with my wife.
Mike
13 May
13 May
10:09 a.m.
You have never seen stuff until you meet some
"horse people", they have
more tack, ribbons and stuff than most.
They have tack, we have boxes and boxes of random cards/drives. They have
ribbons, we have ribbon cables.
I've found that in every 'hobby', no matter how inexpensive it seems, there
is always a way to make it really expensive. (Like my astronomy hobby, I
figured I'd just look at random stars for free.... but I want to look at
dimmer stars, so I need more size and aperture, then I don't feel like
pushing it around so I have to build some kind of computer control for it.
If a hobby is 'cheap', you are not into it enough. :)
I'm the computer person. The nice thing about
computers is they don't
eat, and need veterinarians.
Except you likely pay as much if not more than that in electricity, whereas
horses require none (... YET ;))
--
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle, III
Lexington, Virginia
10:23 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Torquil MacCorkle, III wrote:
And dont forget all the beer and snacks you need to get your friends
in order for them to come over and (help you) fix the damn things..!
--f
I'm the
computer person. The nice thing about computers is they don't
eat, and need veterinarians.
Except you likely pay as much if not more than that in electricity, whereas
horses require none (... YET ;)) 
10:53 a.m.
What kind of beer and snacks do you guys like? I'm way over here
in South Carolina, but I may need help with the following items
from some recent equipment acquisitions:
1) Dead VT52 terminal
2) Semi-dead LA-120 DecWriter
3) RL01 drive that powers up, spins, and then lights the fault light
4) Installing / testing / aligning two RK05 drives
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
To: "Torquil MacCorkle, III" <torquil(a)chemist.com>om>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Computer Estate( and collecting)
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Torquil MacCorkle, III wrote:
> > I'm the computer person. The nice thing about computers is they don't
> > eat, and need veterinarians.
>
> Except you likely pay as much if not more than that in electricity,
whereas
horses require
none (... YET ;))
And dont forget all the beer and snacks you need to get your friends
in order for them to come over and (help you) fix the damn things..!
--f
11:05 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ashley Carder wrote:
What kind of beer and snacks do you guys like?
I'm way over here
in South Carolina, but I may need help with the following items
from some recent equipment acquisitions:
3) RL01 drive that powers up, spins, and then lights
the fault light
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think that you need to be cabled uo to an alive-and-functioning RLV11
or equiv - the RL0n drives want to see valid clock sigs back from the
adapter card.
Cheerz
John
11:15 a.m.
This 11/03 (converted to 11/23) is in a fellow's garage
and I haven't done any detailed testing. It has two
RL01 drives in it. Both of them worked in the past.
The first one still works. The fault light lights up on
the second one.
I'm picking up the computer Saturday morning and taking
it to my house. I'll check the cabling, etc, and do some
experimenting / testing after I get it home and get it set up again.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Computer Estate( and collecting)
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ashley Carder wrote:
What kind of beer and snacks do you guys like?
I'm way over here
in South Carolina, but I may need help with the following items
from some recent equipment acquisitions:
3) RL01 drive that powers up, spins, and then
lights the fault light
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think that you need to be cabled uo to an alive-and-functioning RLV11
or equiv - the RL0n drives want to see valid clock sigs back from the
adapter card.
Cheerz
John
11:29 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ashley Carder wrote:
The first one still works. The fault light lights up
on
the second one.
Check that the terminator plug has not become dislodged from the back of
the second drive.
And the RL series have no rocket science or voodoo in them - so they're
pretty strightforward to repair. I (and many others here) have the docs
and printsets for these drives, if you need such.
Cheers
John
11:35 a.m.
Thanks for the tips. I'll try to fiddle around with it late Saturday
evening, EST.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Computer Estate( and collecting)
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ashley Carder wrote:
The first one still works. The fault light
lights up on
the second one.
Check that the terminator plug has not become dislodged from the back of
the second drive.
And the RL series have no rocket science or voodoo in them - so they're
pretty strightforward to repair. I (and many others here) have the docs
and printsets for these drives, if you need such.
Cheers
John
10:51 a.m.
I've found that in every 'hobby', no
matter how inexpensive it seems,
there is always a way to make it really expensive.
True, very true.
I'm the
computer person. The nice thing about computers is they
don't eat, and need veterinarians.
Except you likely pay as much if not more
than that in electricity,
whereas horses require none (... YET ;)) 
14 May
14 May
3:01 a.m.
In message <00c201c4391d$d4f55820$0500a8c0@floyd>
"Torquil MacCorkle, III" <torquil(a)chemist.com> wrote:
If a hobby is 'cheap', you are not into it
enough. :)
Sounds about right. There are some things that are worth having, though
-
case in point being the soldering station (an Antex 660-TC) I bought the
other day. Having used it all of three times, I've relegated the
non-temperature-controlled monstrosity I used before (a 25W that ran at
around 450C) to the back of the cupboard.
While I'm on the subject of soldering stations, is there any generally-agreed
"best" temperature for 60/40 Multicore solder? I've got the station set to
350C at the moment (increased 375 if I'm using desolder wick). I'll be damned
if I can find the datasheet for the solder I'm using on Multicore's website
though :-/
Later.
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15 May
15 May
1:55 p.m.
In my current CPC catalogue Multicore offer "high" and "low" melting
point
solder.
The low melts at 179*C and the high at 301*C.
My old Weller iron had the following bit temperatures :-
no.6 315*C
no.7 370*C
no.8 430*C
I find myself using around 320*C for standard 60/40 - with no real
justification except I've found it to work - and it matches the temp of bit
6.
I have some old HMP solder which I use on bits that get hot ( repairs on
poorly designed tv's) which requires a bit temp. of 356*C - I used to use
bit no. 7 for that , before I got MY temp. controlled iron - wouldn't be
without it now!
I think that modern solders have lower melting points than the stuff I have
a lot of , your best bet would be to give Multicore a ring and ask them
directly. You must have an old solder as well , -all the labels on mine
faded long ago.
Geoff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Computer Estate( and collecting)
In message
<00c201c4391d$d4f55820$0500a8c0@floyd>
"Torquil MacCorkle, III" <torquil(a)chemist.com> wrote:
generally-agreed
If a hobby is 'cheap', you are not into
it enough. :)
Sounds about right. There are some things that are worth having,
though -
case in point being the soldering station (an Antex 660-TC) I bought the
other day. Having used it all of three times, I've relegated the
non-temperature-controlled monstrosity I used before (a 25W that ran at
around 450C) to the back of the cupboard.
While I'm on the subject of soldering stations, is there any "best" temperature for 60/40 Multicore
solder? I've got the station set to
350C at the moment (increased 375 if I'm using desolder wick). I'll be
damned
if I can find the datasheet for the solder I'm
using on Multicore's
website
though :-/
Later.
--
Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB,
6GB,
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder,
10BaseT Ethernet,
2-slice,
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c
IDE, SCSI
... Captain, Permission to hook up blender attachments to Mr Spock
17 May
17 May
5:35 a.m.
>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey
Thomas <geoffreythomas(a)onetel.net.uk> writes:
Geoffrey> In my current CPC catalogue Multicore offer "high" and
Geoffrey> "low" melting point solder. The low melts at 179*C and the
Geoffrey> high at 301*C. My old Weller iron had the following bit
Geoffrey> temperatures :-
Geoffrey> no.6 315*C no.7 370*C no.8 430*C
Mine are all number 7 (700 degrees F). That seems to be the default.
Geoffrey> I find myself using around 320*C for standard 60/40 - with
Geoffrey> no real justification except I've found it to work - and it
Geoffrey> matches the temp of bit 6. I have some old HMP solder
Geoffrey> which I use on bits that get hot ( repairs on poorly
Geoffrey> designed tv's) which requires a bit temp. of 356*C - I used
Geoffrey> to use bit no. 7 for that , before I got MY
Geoffrey> temp. controlled iron - wouldn't be without it now! I
Geoffrey> think that modern solders have lower melting points than
Geoffrey> the stuff I have a lot of , your best bet would be to give
Geoffrey> Multicore a ring and ask them directly. You must have an
Geoffrey> old solder as well , -all the labels on mine faded long
Geoffrey> ago.
63/37 is the optimal tin/lead alloy; its melting point is a little
lower than 60/40 alloy.
With the current anti-lead movement, it's anybody's guess what will
happen to solder melting points. I get the impression that they are
going up, not down.
paul
9:05 a.m.
63/37 is the optimal tin/lead alloy; its melting point
is a little
lower than 60/40 alloy.
I thought the reason 63/37 (or whatever the precise ratio is - I think
it's something like 63.7/36.3, no?) was preferred was that it had a
melting _point_ rather than a melting _range_. (Whether this is tied
to its being the eutectic mixture is something I'm not enough of an
alloy scientist to know.)
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