I have a VLB VGA card and a VLB IO card (ID, FDC, Parallel, Serial, Game). Both are on their way to the trash unless claimed by someone. Actually, come to think of it, if someone wants, they can have the whole 486 logic board they are on as well. It has a 50 MHz 486/DX2 chip on it. That is also on the way to the trash. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>