24 Jul
2001
24 Jul
'01
4:25 a.m.
I am pretty sure this show, which will undoubtedly be typical
over-sensationalized Learning Channel tripe, is the one where I supplied
many old computers for filming, including an Altair, Imsai, Apple ][,
TRS-80, PET, etc. There may also be semi-sihouletted shots of me typing
on a keyboard.
It's set to air Wednesday (tomorrow) at 10pm on The Learning Channel.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/hackers.html
It features John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch, a.k.a. freaky weirdo whom
you should cross the street to avoid), Steve Wozniak, and Kevin Mitnick.
Why Woz is included in this group is not entirely clear, but the producers
of the show are British, so that could explain things :) It has a lot to
do with the blue box of course, but Kevin Mitnick is a criminal thug, and
Woz is just Woz.
TLC used to be a great channel to actually LEARN stuff on. But I think I
know enough about high-speed chases and asshole cops already. Can we move
on to another subject, please?
As great as it is, Junkyard Wars doesn't redeem the channel. All the cool
stuff is on The History Channel these days :)
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24 Jul
5:48 a.m.
--- Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
It's set to air Wednesday (tomorrow) at 10pm on
The Learning Channel.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/hackers.html
It features John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch, a.k.a. freaky weirdo whom
you should cross the street to avoid)
I have met John Draper in San Jose at party at a VR convention in 1993. It
was an interesting experience. He certainly qualifies as a freaky weirdo.
-ethan
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6:13 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I have met John Draper in San Jose at party at a VR
convention in 1993.
It
was an interesting experience. He certainly qualifies
as a freaky weirdo.
The last time I saw John was in the late 70's, during a brief period when
he was hanging out around the fringes of the MCEP project at LHS. I believe
"freaky weirdo" was the term that someone applied to him at that time.
The speed of light in a vacuum, John Draper's social skills -- apparently
some things are universal constants.
--
Chris Kennedy
chris(a)mainecoon.com
http://www.mainecoon.com
PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97
7:21 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
He's not a bad guy, or an intentionally bad guy. He just has, let's say,
weird tastes, and a very disconcerting and off-putting way of expressing
it towards you. I am flattered whenever anyone expresses an interest in
me, but I'm not into guys and I'm definitely not into the Cap'n Crunch
type :)
Anyway, a point that is underlying this is that we fail to realize that
these folks we read about or have read about all our lives are humans too,
with their own faults and quirks and oddities (and perversions). If you
ever have the experience of meeting a living legend and finding out they
are just human like you (or maybe less so :) you'll understand. I've met
a lot of computer legends as a result of the VCF and it is not often that
the expectations I had for how that person is in real life are realized.
So now I don't go in with any expectations other than that person is
human.
The one person who I expected to be the weirdest was Clifford Stoll
(author of _The Cuckoo's Egg_ and _Silicon Snakeoil_). He is a bit weird,
but nowhere near what I expected. It works both ways, you see :)
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It's set
to air Wednesday (tomorrow) at 10pm on The Learning Channel.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/hackers.html
It features John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch, a.k.a. freaky weirdo whom
you should cross the street to avoid)
I have met John Draper in San Jose at party at a VR convention in 1993. It
was an interesting experience. He certainly qualifies as a freaky weirdo. 
8:46 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Mike Ford once
stated:
in
Anybody familiar with a "magazine" called 2600?
Yes. What do you want to know?
-spc (And yes, it fits the 10 year rule, having starting either 1984 or 1987, I don't recall the exact year
... )
I have heard that "2600" refers to the approx. frequency of
a Cap'n Crunch cereal toy whistle that could be used to hack
the phone system in tye early 70s. Any truth to this?
10:19 p.m.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:46:06AM -0700, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Yes. More correctly, the 2600 refers to the 2600 Hz signalling tone used
in the old (before going digital) telephone network. And by coincidence,
a toy whistle contained in a series of "Captain Crunch" cereal boxes
was producing exactly the same frequency. The guy first finding this out
then went by the nickname "Captain Crunch".
And the name of the magazine 2600, "The Hacker Quarterly" is derived from
this.
Regards,
Alex.
--
We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of
distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable. -- Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
It was thus
said that the Great Mike Ford once stated:
in
Anybody familiar with a "magazine" called 2600?
Yes. What do you want to know?
-spc (And yes, it fits the 10 year rule, having starting either 1984 or 1987, I don't recall the exact
year ... )
I have heard that "2600" refers to the approx. frequency of
a Cap'n Crunch cereal toy whistle that could be used to hack
the phone system in tye early 70s. Any truth to this?
25 Jul
25 Jul
3:29 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Yes. More correctly, the 2600 refers to the 2600 Hz
signalling tone
used in the old (before going digital) telephone network. And by
coincidence, a toy whistle contained in a series of "Captain Crunch"
cereal boxes was producing exactly the same frequency. The guy first
finding this out then went by the nickname "Captain Crunch".
More specifically, the 2600Hz tone enabled you to "seize" a "trunk".
A
"trunk" is basically a line at the central office going out into the rest
of the network. The easiest way was to call an 800 number (a free call,
and you were always guaranteed a trunk) and then blast the 2600Hz tone.
You would then get a supervisory tone (like a dial tone). You would then
use MF (like DTMF but it used different frequencies) to dial a sequence to
connect you to where you wanted to go. There were also special tones,
like KP (keypulse) and ST (start), which were sort of like protocol
markers. KP meant you were starting a destination address, ST meant to
route you to that destination. So you would dial KP + <destination
number> + ST and off the call would go.
If you knew enough, you could connect yourself to various internal telco
operators and find out all sorts of cool stuff. You could also connect
yourself to operators in foreign countries and then snoop around their
networks. One of Wozniak's more famous stories is calling the Pope by
BSing his way through their operators (I think he was pretending to be
Henry Kissinger). John Draper used to setup calls from one payphone,
route it through various telcos around the world, then back to another
payphone next to the one he was at, so that he could say a word into one
payphone and hear it come out the other a few seconds later :)
I wish the phone networks were still that much fun. Nowadays, all
signalling is out-of-band, being handled on a separate X.25 packet network
(SS7). You can get an SS7 drop to your business (maybe even your house)
but you'd have to pay for it, so any snooping would be on your dime :(
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24 Jul
9:17 p.m.
Anybody
familiar with a "magazine" called 2600?
Yes. What do you want to know?
25 Jul
25 Jul
3:14 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
One of my friends is thinking of going back into the
publishing
business as a competitor. I was just curious about the general content
etc. He dropped out of doing it a few years ago due to sleazy
distributors, but says the situation is better now.
Really, we don't need another 2600. 2600 is bad enough. A bunch of
adolecents writing about mostly inane "hacks" being run by folks who never
made it out of adolescence. Have you ever read the letters section? I
fear for the future of our beloved America :)
At least I don't have to pay for my subscription...
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4:59 a.m.
2600 and Phrack are garbage. The best place to learn good hacks is your
local chapter of ACM.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
One of my friends is thinking of going back into
the publishing
business as a competitor. I was just curious about the general content
etc. He dropped out of doing it a few years ago due to sleazy
distributors, but says the situation is better now.
Really, we don't need another 2600. 2600 is bad enough. A bunch of
adolecents writing about mostly inane "hacks" being run by folks who never
made it out of adolescence. Have you ever read the letters section? I
fear for the future of our beloved America :)
At least I don't have to pay for my subscription...
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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30 Jul
30 Jul
12:36 p.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
I have two versions of same cards,
Port D-shell connector is 4 rows of holes, almost whole length of
this card bracket (might be length of 36pin D shell type but
thicker),
12 SRAM chips on bottom edge forward of this 32bit MCA edge
connector, 5 SRAM chips at top edge towards rear.
Most of area covered are ceramic PLCC types in two sizes, smaller
ones 28pin and larger ones is 68pin, both sizes has quartz window in
all of them.
What left is mostly TTL one PAL, two IBM ASICs and four
smaller ones by that odd connector in Al cap, one custom labeled
68pin plastic PLCC made by intel.
One has engineering jumper wires is 74F2872, other with one
engineering jumper is 93F0931, other is 93F0930.
It was pulled from 3172-001 (in custom black box based on model
80-Axx planar 386dx-25 w/ cache aka motherboard) What I can
determine this is interconnect boxen or something. IBM is very vague
about it. Right now no boxen, too heavy.
This is not OT, this parts just cleared 10 yr rule. :-)
If there is demand for these, I'd like to sell or trade them.
Cheers,
Wizard
5:32 p.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
I have two versions of same cards,
Port D-shell connector is 4 rows of holes, almost whole length of
this card bracket (might be length of 36pin D shell type but
thicker),
Just a 2c guess, would it be a Multi I/O card, like the digiboard or
similar. I have * NCR 3434 boxen outside with similar ecternal connector
and chip arrangement, although they are labelled as digiboards.
--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861
email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au
WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell>
"People without trees are like fish without clean water"
7:08 p.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
That was my first thought too. I have 2 Digiboards here, However. The
4 port board has 4 big uart chips on it and is only a 16-bit card. The
16 port board doesn't have the same connector.... it uses ribbon cable.
Maybe he has an IBM Portmaster? Plugging it in to see what ADF it asks
for, is what I would do!
Neither one of my Digiboards will work on my Reply Powerboard, the 16
port board won't even let the computer show any video, anybody else have
any problems like that? I don't have an IBM planer to try.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Terry Collins wrote:
Just a 2c guess, would it be a Multi I/O card, like
the digiboard or
similar. I have * NCR 3434 boxen outside with similar ecternal connector
and chip arrangement, although they are labelled as digiboards.
--
Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861
email: terryc(a)woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au
WOA Computer Services <lan/wan, linux/unix, novell>
"People without trees are like fish without clean water"
7:51 p.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
On 31 Jul, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
It was pulled from 3172-001 (in custom black box
based on model
80-Axx planar 386dx-25 w/ cache aka motherboard) What I can
determine this is interconnect boxen or something. IBM is very vague
about it. Right now no boxen, too heavy.
If you own a MCA PC get QBMCA, a MCA card
ID sniffer, from
http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm
and you will be enlightened.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
31 Jul
31 Jul
4:27 a.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
Wizard,
Will you be keeping the custom black box? :-) I'd like to see pictures
of it, if you can do that easily.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
It was pulled from 3172-001 (in custom black box
based on model
80-Axx planar 386dx-25 w/ cache aka motherboard) What I can
determine this is interconnect boxen or something. IBM is very vague
about it. Right now no boxen, too heavy.
This is not OT, this parts just cleared 10 yr rule. :-)
If there is demand for these, I'd like to sell or trade them.
Cheers,
Wizard
1:31 a.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:27:15 -0400
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: IBM MCA card to ID.
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Wizard,
Will you be keeping the custom black box? :-) I'd like to see pictures
of it, if you can do that easily.
As I said, it is just simple black large box made for IBM, no
provisions for mounting HDs, requires 220V power ONLY, front is HEX
keypad w/ 4 digit LED (small!) Basically, oversized box to shuttle
data between two different connections, basically to hold PSU,
motherboard and all 8 cards, there's no openings for the I/O ports
like vga, etc. To mount a little hd 30MB (!!) IBM used a MCA pass
through card w/ MCA HD mounted on it, then it's plugged into topmost
slot and kept in place from wobbling via a simple bent piece of
sheetmetal and three screws. Two on card, one to chassis.
It's made of heavy gauge steel so it is HEAVY and large. appox 9U
rack but it doesn't have holes for rack ears so I left it behind.
Top 4 screws uncrews 1/4 turn, take off top plate for card access.
Loosen but not remove 8 screws (4 per side, slide them off by pulling
upwards if needed for better access to other parts.
Later 3172's (002 and 003) is based on 85 or 95 motherboard using
dx2 50 complex card and at minimum 8MB installed.
Newer boxens are now much efficient and vastly compact than this
early days types.
Cheers,
Wizard
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
1:31 a.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:27:15 -0400
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: IBM MCA card to ID.
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Wizard,
Will you be keeping the custom black box? :-) I'd like to see pictures
of it, if you can do that easily.
As I said, it is just simple black large box made for IBM, no
provisions for mounting HDs, requires 220V power ONLY, front is HEX
keypad w/ 4 digit LED (small!) Basically, oversized box to shuttle
data between two different connections, basically to hold PSU,
motherboard and all 8 cards, there's no openings for the I/O ports
like vga, etc. To mount a little hd 30MB (!!) IBM used a MCA pass
through card w/ MCA HD mounted on it, then it's plugged into topmost
slot and kept in place from wobbling via a simple bent piece of
sheetmetal and three screws. Two on card, one to chassis.
It's made of heavy gauge steel so it is HEAVY and large. appox 9U
rack but it doesn't have holes for rack ears so I left it behind.
Top 4 screws uncrews 1/4 turn, take off top plate for card access.
Loosen but not remove 8 screws (4 per side, slide them off by pulling
upwards if needed for better access to other parts.
Later 3172's (002 and 003) is based on 85 or 95 motherboard using
dx2 50 complex card and at minimum 8MB installed.
Newer boxens are now much efficient and vastly compact than this
early days types.
Cheers,
Wizard
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
30 Jul
30 Jul
12:36 p.m.
New subject: IBM MCA card to ID.
I have two versions of same cards,
Port D-shell connector is 4 rows of holes, almost whole length of
this card bracket (might be length of 36pin D shell type but
thicker),
12 SRAM chips on bottom edge forward of this 32bit MCA edge
connector, 5 SRAM chips at top edge towards rear.
Most of area covered are ceramic PLCC types in two sizes, smaller
ones 28pin and larger ones is 68pin, both sizes has quartz window in
all of them.
What left is mostly TTL one PAL, two IBM ASICs and four
smaller ones by that odd connector in Al cap, one custom labeled
68pin plastic PLCC made by intel.
One has engineering jumper wires is 74F2872, other with one
engineering jumper is 93F0931, other is 93F0930.
It was pulled from 3172-001 (in custom black box based on model
80-Axx planar 386dx-25 w/ cache aka motherboard) What I can
determine this is interconnect boxen or something. IBM is very vague
about it. Right now no boxen, too heavy.
This is not OT, this parts just cleared 10 yr rule. :-)
If there is demand for these, I'd like to sell or trade them.
Cheers,
Wizard
26 Jul
26 Jul
3:41 a.m.
Sellam Ismail skrev:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
> One of my friends is thinking of going back into
the publishing
> business as a competitor. I was just curious about the general content
> etc. He dropped out of doing it a few years ago due to sleazy
> distributors, but says the situation is better now.
Really, we don't need another 2600. 2600 is bad
enough. A bunch of
adolecents writing about mostly inane "hacks" being run by folks who never
made it out of adolescence. Have you ever read the letters section? I
fear for the future of our beloved America :)
I'd say that C't or even Dr. Dobb's are more concerned with hacking than 2600
is. I like the telephone booth foldouts, though. =)
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
4:01 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Iggy Drougge once stated:
I'd say that C't or even Dr. Dobb's are more concerned with hacking than
2600
is. I like the telephone booth foldouts, though. =)
Has Dr. Dobb's finally gotten away from Windows programming? Even a
little bit?
-spc (Haven't read a computer magazine in years ... )
5:41 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Anybody familiar with a "magazine" called
2600?
Quite a few articles I find to be a bit childish, obvious, or not what I
would classify as 'hacking', but I still find it entertaining. I've read
every issue for the last few years.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
6:27 a.m.
A lot of the stuff that WOZ did back before the Apple was realized were what one
might consider "childish" as well. They were somewhat questionable, not only
in
their usefulness but also in their legality. They were acts expressing his
curiosity and what grew out of that general attitude of inquisitiveness was
positive and mature, even if those early techno-experiments were bordring on
vandalism. What's good is that he went on to do something positive with what he
learned. Lots of youngsters do the naughty things they do while no positive
results are forthcoming because they aren't willing to do the work. There's
often serious learning hidden in the stuff they do, however.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Anybody familiar with a "magazine"
called 2600?
Quite a few articles I find to be a bit childish, obvious, or not what I
would classify as 'hacking', but I still find it entertaining. I've read
every issue for the last few years.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
24 Jul
24 Jul
9:28 a.m.
WHAT??? You guys have your own cops?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: Hackers: Computer Outlaws
I am pretty sure this show, which will undoubtedly be typical
over-sensationalized Learning Channel tripe, is the one where I supplied
many old computers for filming, including an Altair, Imsai, Apple ][,
TRS-80, PET, etc. There may also be semi-sihouletted shots of me typing
on a keyboard.
It's set to air Wednesday (tomorrow) at 10pm on The Learning Channel.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/hackers.html
It features John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch, a.k.a. freaky weirdo whom
you should cross the street to avoid), Steve Wozniak, and Kevin Mitnick.
Why Woz is included in this group is not entirely clear, but the producers
of the show are British, so that could explain things :) It has a lot to
do with the blue box of course, but Kevin Mitnick is a criminal thug, and
Woz is just Woz.
TLC used to be a great channel to actually LEARN stuff on. But I think I
know enough about high-speed chases and asshole cops already. Can we move
on to another subject, please?
As great as it is, Junkyard Wars doesn't redeem the channel. All the cool
stuff is on The History Channel these days :)
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10:37 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, John Allain wrote:
Yes.
...freaky
weirdo whom you should cross the street to avoid)...
Sounds unnecessarily negative. Honestly, have you ever met
the person? Perhaps you have tried to get him to speak at VCFW?
Not yet, but I intend to someday. I planned to last year but it didn't
work out. I couldn't get a hold of Don Ingraham, the Oakland, California
prosecutor who busted Draper, and who retired last year. The two of them
would've made for a great talk, don't you think?
:)
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25 Jul
3:28 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Vintage Computer
Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
It features John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch,
a.k.a. freaky weirdo whom
you should cross the street to avoid), Steve Wozniak, and Kevin Mitnick.
Why Woz is included in this group is not entirely clear, but the producers
of the show are British, so that could explain things :)
I thought it was a great show! But I must admit I missed
the first part, and didn't come in until they showed the
Altair, the Sol, the Pet, and talked to Lee Felsenstein.
Did anyone in the UK happen to tape it? I would have if
I'd known it was on! Here's the Channel 4 link:
http://www.channel4.com/plus/sh01/hackers1.html
It has a lot to do with the blue box of course,
Not just any blue box, but Woz's very own, original blue
box.
As great as it is, Junkyard Wars
Is it just me, or could you imagine Tony Duell's team on a
high-tech version of Scrapheap Challenge/Junkyard Wars,
building a PDP-11 out of whatever they can find lying
around? Then toggling in the bootstrap...
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
3:20 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Honniball wrote:
Not just any blue box, but Woz's very own,
original blue box.
Which I got to hold (and I had the whole world in my hands :) (brownie
points for anyone getting that reference ;)
Is it just me, or could you imagine Tony Duell's
team on a high-tech
version of Scrapheap Challenge/Junkyard Wars, building a PDP-11 out of
whatever they can find lying around? Then toggling in the
bootstrap...
I've actually been machinating such an event for the VCF. Not this year,
but for next year. A heap of old computers of all kinds in various states
of disassembly or completeness is thrown into a couple piles, and each
team has to assemble a working computer out of the parts.
Imagine a PDP 11/34 CPU with a TRS-80 keyboard, an Apple ][ disk drive and
a C64 motherboard with CRT for a terminal interface :)
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Not sure if it's possible for four people to build a PDP-11 out of garbage
in less than ten hours. Given a couple of days in a proper computer
graveyard, maybe.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Honniball wrote:
Is it just me, or could you imagine Tony Duell's
team on a
high-tech version of Scrapheap Challenge/Junkyard Wars,
building a PDP-11 out of whatever they can find lying
around? Then toggling in the bootstrap...
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Out of *random* junkyard denizens? I don't know. Out of a computer
graveyard. certainly.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
Not sure if it's possible for four people to build a PDP-11 out of garbage
in less than ten hours. Given a couple of days in a proper computer
graveyard, maybe.
It's the 4 people that worries me. A single (good) hacker could probably
do it. But add 3 more people and you've got problems....
-tony
6:32 p.m.
New subject: Fun "events" for VCF
Events at VCF do sound like a fun idea. How about....
Computer Clinic
A loose group of experts that converge on some specific table or area to
help people get their old computers working. Setup should include ability
to make boot floppies, maybe print some .pdf manual pages (or put the .pdf
on floppy).
Contest on who can find the best stuff in the seller area (based on the
antique show format, maybe even with a live auction at the end to set
value).
Live auction of computer stuff. See if you can talk a few of the local
auction houses into making a BIG combined auction.
Vintage geek clothing contest.
11:47 a.m.
New subject: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home
Not sure if it's possible for four people to build a PDP-11 out of garbage
in less than ten hours. Given a couple of days in a proper computer
graveyard, maybe.
It's the 4 people that worries me. A single (good) hacker could probably
do it. But add 3 more people and you've got problems....
-tony
12:27 p.m.
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1:09 p.m.
New subject: building a PDP11 from the things you find at home
Imagine
different front panels depending on which PDP11 you software
configure...
And none of them have the feel of the real thing...
-tony
1:19 p.m.
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1:50 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Tony Duell once stated:
One single good hardware hacker, one single good software hacker (you need
software to prove the thing works by blinking all the blinking lights) and
two grunts to grab tools and Coke. But by no means let them near the
equipment or assemblers 8-)
-spc (So what's the problem 8-P
Not sure if it's possible for four people to
build a PDP-11 out of garbage
in less than ten hours. Given a couple of days in a proper computer
graveyard, maybe.
It's the 4 people that worries me. A single (good) hacker could probably
do it. But add 3 more people and you've got problems....
9:36 a.m.
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