Ethan wrote: <You know why that is? C= Engineering had it all laid- out and finished, then some suit (the LBF?) told them to re-do it to use up the orphaned PC cases they had stacks and stacks of.> That is a slight exageration. C= Engineering had some prototype motherboard designs but it wasn't near to a finished layout. The A4000 case was originally designed for one of the A1000+ configurations. Commodore management decided to salvage part of this development by using the case in their AGA 'big box' Amiga. Kind Regards, Gareth Knight