Good question. I have only seen 3 Firey boxes ever (and personally used none). All 3 had big Kodak labels on them, so I just kind of assumed it was a Kodak product. That could of course be a bad assumption. Based on the big labels concept, most of my WinTel PCs must be made by apple, because they all have big apple stickers on them (as well as my old car) All 3 of the ones I looked at were fat square mini-tower size boxes, two were beige, one was black, and I have NO idea what was in them (my "looking" at them was pretty much just that, they were on the floor near a color printer, I pointed my eyes at it, and looked) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>