5 Mar
2003
5 Mar
'03
1:40 a.m.
> 2 Apple II GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in box), a
Mac Plus, couple
monitors,
external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair. 
5 Mar
5 Mar
4:18 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, chris wrote:
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over priced this bundle.
$100 is very generous for what is listed. Unless there are some really
unusual monitors or software/manuals, then I don't think the lot is worth
more than about $20, and that is more as a "thanks for letting me have
it" gesture.
My rough thought process:
Apple //gs - $20 each
Apple //c new in box - $50
Mac Plus - $5
Monitors - $5 each
Misc. drives - $10
"scads of software and manuals" - I'm assuming "scads" is worth
about $25
Total: $140
One quick no-hassle sale = $100 fair price
> 2 Apple II
GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in box), a Mac Plus, couple
monitors,
external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair. I have aquired everything mentioned above
(catagorically, obviously I
don't have specifics on the monitors, drives, software, manuals), from
the curbside garbage in the last six months.
Including a "new in the box" //c and "scads" of software? That's
what I
would value most in the lot mentioned.
There could be things that bump the value up a bit.
Such as the IIc being
truely brand new never opened (and not just clean and reboxed). If the
It doesn't need to be "never opened". Having the original box in good
shape and the original manuals, is uncommon.
IIgs are Rom 0 units (or Woz units), and if the
monitors or hard drives
Woz signature units are of no real significance.
are large (20" monitors, and 10+ gig drives). The
software and manuals,
We're talking Apple ]['s here. 20" monitors and 10+ gig hard drives do
not even come into the equation.
unless it is current release stuff, exotic hard to
find stuff, or things
you care about owning real copies of (vs abondonware copies), then it is
of little value.
That's where you are completely wrong and why you don't understand my
pricing. The software, as long as most of it is in original boxes with
original disks, is the real prize. Your opinion may vary on this of
course, but the fact is that original software in the box is harder to
find than the machines themselves. And without the software and manuals,
the computer is just a pretty object.
Bear in mind, even if there are parts that pump up the
value, you need to
overcome the $20 "thank you" price first, so you start at $0 and go up,
not start at $20 and go up.
Fine, call it $50 if the seller just wants to dump it.
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8:50 p.m.
Assuming the buyer and the seller are adults, then surely "a fair
price" is simply another way of saying "whatever price pleases the
buyer to offer and the seller to receive"?
Tim Challenor
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 06:09 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, chris wrote:
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over priced this bundle.
$100 is very generous for what is listed. Unless there are some really
unusual monitors or software/manuals, then I don't think the lot is
worth
more than about $20, and that is more as a "thanks for letting me have
it" gesture.
My rough thought process:
Apple //gs - $20 each
Apple //c new in box - $50
Mac Plus - $5
Monitors - $5 each
Misc. drives - $10
"scads of software and manuals" - I'm assuming "scads" is worth
about
$25
Total: $140
One quick no-hassle sale = $100 fair price
> 2
Apple II GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in box), a Mac Plus, couple
monitors,
external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair. I have aquired everything mentioned above
(catagorically, obviously I
don't have specifics on the monitors, drives, software, manuals), from
the curbside garbage in the last six months.
Including a "new in the box" //c and "scads" of software? That's
what
I
would value most in the lot mentioned.
There could be things that bump the value up a
bit. Such as the IIc
being
truely brand new never opened (and not just clean and reboxed). If the
It doesn't need to be "never opened". Having the original box in good
shape and the original manuals, is uncommon.
IIgs are Rom 0 units (or Woz units), and if the
monitors or hard
drives
Woz signature units are of no real significance.
are large (20" monitors, and 10+ gig
drives). The software and
manuals,
We're talking Apple ]['s here. 20" monitors and 10+ gig hard drives do
not even come into the equation.
unless it is current release stuff, exotic hard
to find stuff, or
things
you care about owning real copies of (vs abondonware copies), then it
is
of little value.
That's where you are completely wrong and why you don't understand my
pricing. The software, as long as most of it is in original boxes with
original disks, is the real prize. Your opinion may vary on this of
course, but the fact is that original software in the box is harder to
find than the machines themselves. And without the software and
manuals,
the computer is just a pretty object.
Bear in mind, even if there are parts that pump
up the value, you
need to
overcome the $20 "thank you" price first, so you start at $0 and go
up,
not start at $20 and go up.
Fine, call it $50 if the seller just wants to dump it.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at
www.VintageTech.com * 
9:18 p.m.
New subject: OT: How to set up Eudora properly :-)
OK, this is OT but it's how I read classiccmp...
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of what setting to tune to turn off most (if not all) of these headers. The
preview window only shows Subject: and To:
I've done some google searches and visited www.qualcomm.com but the
suggested solutions don't do a thing for me.
Also, if this message appears as html or rtf please tell me and I'll see
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6 Mar
6 Mar
12:59 a.m.
New subject: OT: How to set up Eudora properly :-)
Hi,
I use Eudora too and I get the same thing. I've been through all the settings and
help files and I can't find a way to get rid of that stuff either. If you find a way,
let me know.
Joe
At 10:14 PM 3/6/03 +1100, you wrote:
OK, this is OT but it's how I read classiccmp...
When I read messages using Eudora 4.3.2 (paid mode) I get to see lots of
headers I can do without. For example a typical message starts:
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:47:24 +0000
From: Tim <tim.challenor(a)tcns.co.uk>
Subject: Re: fair price for apple articles
Sender: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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of what setting to tune to turn off most (if not all) of these headers. The
preview window only shows Subject: and To:
I've done some google searches and visited www.qualcomm.com but the
suggested solutions don't do a thing for me.
Also, if this message appears as html or rtf please tell me and I'll see
which setting I've changed. If there wasn't hundreds of Mb of archived
messages that would have to be manually refiltered I'd move to something
like Evolution.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
5 Mar
5 Mar
5:03 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, chris wrote:
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over priced this bundle.
That depends; how many manuals are there per scad?
Besides,
What is "fair",
What it's "worth",
What it'd get on e-Bay,
What Sellam would be willing to pay,
are all different.
> 2 Apple II
GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in box), a Mac Plus, couple
monitors,
external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair.
5:15 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: fair price for apple articles
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, chris wrote:
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over priced this bundle.
That depends; how many manuals are there per scad?
Besides,
What is "fair",
What it's "worth",
What it'd get on e-Bay,
What Sellam would be willing to pay,
are all different.
And your point is? :-)
Stuart Johnson
> 2
Apple II GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in box), a Mac Plus, couple
monitors,
external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair.
6:20 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Stuart Johnson wrote:
That depends; how many manuals are there per scad? And your point
is? :-)
Just that all pricing is subjective; and that "fair" is relative.
I've seen a box of books worth WAY more than a dumpster full of stuff.
On more than one occasion, Sellam bought stuff from me, and told me where
and how I could sell the stuff for more than he was willing to pay.
He has always been honorable in differentiating the value v the price.
When he says that a price is "fair", that doesn't necessarily mean that he
would pay that much for it.
> external
floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and manuals".
$100 is fair.
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over priced this
bundle.
8:41 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
When he says that a price is "fair", that
doesn't necessarily mean that he
would pay that much for it.
This is true.
*I* wouldn't pay $100 for it, but I was being subjective in my valuation.
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6 Mar
6 Mar
12:21 a.m.
>> 2 Apple II GS, a IIc (claimed to be new in
box), a Mac Plus, couple
>> monitors, external floppy and hard drives and "scads of software and
manuals".
>$100 is fair.
WOW! I can't believe Sellam of all people over
priced this bundle.
$100 is very generous for what is listed. Unless there
are some really
unusual monitors or software/manuals, then I don't think the lot is worth
more than about $20, and that is more as a "thanks for letting me have
it" gesture.
Well, he isn't always that cheap... :)
My quess would habve been anywhere between 50 and 150 USD, asumeing
that it's from the original owver, and therefore working and more
important with a huge pile of documentation and software. Also
IIgs systems that are still in use (or where until recently) are
usualy well equipped, often with harddrives etc. I'd take a look
at least.
Gruss
H.
P.S.: For a working GS Transwarp and/or GS Harddisk even I'd offer
some green paper.
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