Yup, that is what I wanted. Case in point... I have shown my lack of education in language time and time again, my grammar, and spelling, are horrible. I have little grasp of the fundimentals of ANY language, and people would be ill-advised to listen to much of an argument I might present regarding language use. I failed my way thru all english classes from grade school thru college. (I am fluent however in mumble-ese) So it would be expected that I would make such a mistake above. But then, I haven't tried to argue language concepts since I put my foot in my mouth regarding sentense structure some time back. (I don't consider correcting MAC to Mac to be a language argument, rather a usuage arguement for lack of a better word, along the lines of pointing out that PS/2 is an IBM computer, and PS2 is a Sony game system... you don't need to know language for that, you just need to know how the terms are used by their respective groups) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>