18 Sep
2021
18 Sep
'21
1:01 p.m.
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with
me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck
it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. Anyway we cleared
out a lot of the stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs including:
A Franklin computer, in box.
A TRS80 Model 3
An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy)
A Sun2 something
A sun 3/60 (I remember these!)
A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief)
Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy)
An Apple II/e.
Few more hard drives
Weird scope like things
The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The
bad news is these are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a
pedestal mounted Sun 3/110 in the way.
Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far
more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.
We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both
trashed. Ian, want to come over sometime?
C
18 Sep
18 Sep
1:14 p.m.
Where is this?
On Sep 18, 2021, at 13:01, Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not
a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone
there to call 911. Anyway we cleared out a lot of the stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs
including:
A Franklin computer, in box.
A TRS80 Model 3
An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy)
A Sun2 something
A sun 3/60 (I remember these!)
A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief)
Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy)
An Apple II/e.
Few more hard drives
Weird scope like things
The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The bad news is these
are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a pedestal mounted Sun 3/110 in the
way.
Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more able to
move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.
We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both trashed. Ian, want to
come over sometime?
C
1:40 p.m.
On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not
a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone
there to call 911.
You might be joking, but this is no joke, it?s a *VERY* good idea. Back when my
collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head. Thankfully I was
okay, but it could have been much worse. After that I started being more cautious.
Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your
basement. We were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than
today.
Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some of my old
gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don?t have a basement. :-)
Zane
6:32 p.m.
I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring
some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.? In
her eyes it's all junk.
Which is worse, no basement or a wife ?
It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of
PDP-8/E equipment.
On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not
a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone
there to call 911.
You might be joking, but this is no joke, it?s a *VERY* good
idea. Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the
head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After that I started
being more cautious.
Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in
your basement. We were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young
than today.
Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was
working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don?t have a
basement. :-)
Zane
6:36 p.m.
I'd dump the wife...
Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
Em s?b, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
escreveu:
I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains
everytime I bring
some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement. In
her eyes it's all junk.
Which is worse, no basement or a wife ?
It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of
PDP-8/E equipment.
On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came
with me.
This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get
stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
You might be joking, but this is no joke, it?s a
*VERY* good idea. Back
when my collection was in storage units, I took a large
vintage TV to the
head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After
that I started being more cautious.
> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were
far more
able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.
Good point. I was reminded of this a few months
ago, while I was
working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good
news, I don?t
have a basement. :-)
Zane
6:39 p.m.
I did finally dump the first wife.? The second one is just too good to dump.
On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I'd dump the wife...
Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
Em s?b, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> escreveu:
I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I
bring
some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.? In
her eyes it's all junk.
Which is worse, no basement or a wife ?
It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full
racks of
PDP-8/E equipment.
On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at
classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>
> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
came with
me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift
and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
You might be joking, but this is no joke, it?s a
*VERY* good
idea.? Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a
large vintage TV to the head.? Thankfully I was okay, but it could
have been much worse.? After that I started being more cautious.
> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We
were far
more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were
young than today.
Good point.? I was reminded of this a few months
ago, while I
was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.? The good
news, I don?t have a basement. :-)
Zane
7:04 p.m.
On 2021-09-18 9:39 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
I did finally dump the first wife.? The second one is
just too good to
dump.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg
On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I'd dump the wife...
Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
Em s?b, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> escreveu:
??? I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I
??? bring
??? some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.? In
??? her eyes it's all junk.
??? Which is worse, no basement or a wife ?
??? It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full
??? racks of
??? PDP-8/E equipment.
??? On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
??? >
??? >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
??? <cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
??? >>
??? >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
??? came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift
??? and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
??? > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it?s a *VERY* good
??? idea.? Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a
??? large vintage TV to the head.? Thankfully I was okay, but it could
??? have been much worse.? After that I started being more cautious.
??? >
??? >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We
??? were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were
??? young than today.
??? > Good point.? I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I
??? was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.? The good
??? news, I don?t have a basement. :-)
??? >
??? > Zane
??? >
??? >
??? >
19 Sep
19 Sep
10:03 a.m.
On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
No problem with stopping the stupid wife stuff, but this is an important
issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you
have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you
think due to accident/whatnot.
On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get
all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a
serious win apparently.
1:57 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
No problem with stopping the stupid wife stuff, but this is an important
issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you
have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you
think due to accident/whatnot.
On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get
all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a
serious win apparently.
I'm still working through the tapes and I've had decent success with them,
however if I may add to Chris's suggestions: don't leave tapes in a damp
basement for 20+ years, it makes them difficult to read. All the more
frustrating when they contain what may be the only surviving copy of
various bits of software for an obscure workstation :).
- Josh
2:13 p.m.
I'm sorry if I made a bad joke.? Please understand this was all tongue
in cheek.
As for plans, I had a massive heart attack in June and nearly died.?? 8
stents and a pacemaker later I am alive and kicking.
My suggestion's are:
Make a will.
Put all of your real estate and investments in a trust with you and your
wife (and possibly your next of kin) to avoid inheritance tax (I am no
lawyer, so contact a lawyer on how to do this)
Make sure there is a list of all bank account and credit card numbers
some where where both of you can access it (a safety deposit box or home
safe comes to mind).
I would suggest that all of your passwords are kept in a password
manager that both of you have access to or encrypted somewhere with a
password you both know.
In case you both were to die together, make sure your next of kin knows
how to find or access the above information.
If you have special requests for disposition of your property after you
die, state it in your will or make a list and put it in the safety
deposit box mentioned above.
These are some of the things my wonderful wife and I did after my heat
attack.
Please forgive the morbid nature of this but my perspective has changed
since the heart attack.
On 9/19/2021 3:57 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk
wrote:
No problem with stopping the
stupid wife stuff, but this is an important
issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you
have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you
think due to accident/whatnot.
On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get
all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a
serious win apparently.
I'm still working through the tapes and I've had decent success with
them,
however if I may add to Chris's suggestions: don't leave tapes in a damp
basement for 20+ years, it makes them difficult to read. All the more
frustrating when they contain what may be the only surviving copy of
various bits of software for an obscure workstation :).
- Josh
6:54 p.m.
On Sep 19, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm sorry if I made a bad joke. Please understand this was all tongue in cheek.
As for plans, I had a massive heart attack in June and nearly died. 8 stents and a
pacemaker later I am alive and kicking.
My suggestion's are:
Make a will.
Put all of your real estate and investments in a trust with you and your wife (and
possibly your next of kin) to avoid inheritance tax (I am no lawyer, so contact a lawyer
on how to do this)
Make sure there is a list of all bank account and credit card numbers some where where
both of you can access it (a safety deposit box or home safe comes to mind).
I would suggest that all of your passwords are kept in a password manager that both of
you have access to or encrypted somewhere with a password you both know.
In case you both were to die together, make sure your next of kin knows how to find or
access the above information.
If you have special requests for disposition of your property after you die, state it in
your will or make a list and put it in the safety deposit box mentioned above.
These are some of the things my wonderful wife and I did after my heat attack.
Please forgive the morbid nature of this but my perspective has changed since the heart
attack.
This is a very, very important point. At the start of Covid, I lost a very good friend to
a heart attack. He was an incredibly knowledgable professional photographer. With a
studio larger than most houses, and an insane amount of gear (including drum scanners).
From what little I know, the story doesn?t have a happy ending.
Both my wife and our eldest have a pretty good idea on the books, as well as the camera
gear. They have less of an idea on the Classic Computer equipment, though I know they
know it?s not worthless. They might have a better idea on the Video Games than me.
Zane
19 Sep
19 Sep
9:35 a.m.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 04:39:06AM +0000, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens
via cctalk wrote:
> Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists.
Reminds of that chat we had at BSDCan a few years ago eh?
;-)
Diane
--
db at FreeBSD.org db at db.net http://www.db.net/~db
6:27 p.m.
I took pictures about a year ago when I started this, should be...
https://www.crystel.com/bob
Right now I'm reading that 1525 disk, sometimes you get only one try in
this game. Head 3 is not happy, but it is getting some of the data on
retries. When done I'll put the image up for Ian to take a look at and
see if it's worth asking someone to try recovering the remaining sectors.
C
On 9/19/2021 9:04 PM, Tony Aiuto wrote:
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
came with
me. ....
Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
7:06 p.m.
Got most of the data. About 300 bad sectors, most of which are on head
3. We'll see what it looks like...
On 9/19/2021 9:27 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
I took pictures about a year ago when I started this,
should be...
https://www.crystel.com/bob
Right now I'm reading that 1525 disk, sometimes you get only one try
in this game. Head 3 is not happy, but it is getting some of the data
on retries. When done I'll put the image up for Ian to take a look at
and see if it's worth asking someone to try recovering the remaining
sectors.
C
On 9/19/2021 9:04 PM, Tony Aiuto wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>
> ??? Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
> ??? came with
> ??? me. ....
>
>
> Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
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