2 Feb
2001
2 Feb
'01
1:52 p.m.
On February 2, Jerome Fine wrote:
course if the Pentium had been around 10 years sooner,
maybe DEC
would have made a better PDP-11.
Oh good lord. That's a troll for flamage if I've ever read one. A
good one though; I almost cut loose on you for it with about ten pages
about why this is full of doodoo. ;)
-Dave McGuire
3 Feb
3 Feb
5:11 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On February 2, Jerome Fine wrote:
Jerome Fine replies:
If I remember correctly, the Pentium came out around 1993, about four
years after the 486 came out around 1989. If the engineering, design and
technical capability that led to the Pentium had been around in 1980, the
technical superiority that the PDP-11 enjoyed over the PC might have
pushed DEC hard enough to upgrade the PDP-11 systems.
Consider that the VAX can't be purchased any longer as a new system
while it is still possible to purchase a new PDP-11. Of course, I do
understand that the primary OS for a VAX is VMS and that since the
Alpha outperforms the VAX, it is no longer reasonable to purchase
a new VAX as opposed to the Alpha - so to a very large extent, the
reason for the lack of a new VAX as compared to a new PDP-11
is understandable. But the point I think is lacking in this aspect of the
discussion is that DEC is not the company that is building and selling
these new PDP-11 systems. And consider further that it is less
expensive to run the E11 emulator on a PC and faster than any
current hardware PDP-11 solution - if you are comparing systems
with similar throughput or similar price, especially for hobby users.
For commercial systems, operation at the high end can also be
compared in favour of E11. With a fast Pentium III and E11,
running PDP-11 software is less expensive and faster than with
the fastest PDP-11 hardware.
Now all of the above observations and speculation is far in the past
as to why DEC stopped competing with the PDP-11 hardware
and software. So as someone who runs some PDP-11 code
almost every day, I just accept that DEC is no longer around.
Maybe, even all PDP-11 OSs might end up in the Public Domain
by the next century, although at the present time, there still seems
to be some profit in the software.
But back to my original question and Zane's response plus the low
price of memory. Might it be possible to design and produce a
Qbus board which uses memory as the disk and have an interface
like the HD: on E11 rather than MSCP? Considering that from
the lack of a response on my original question in regard to the
use of the 8 MByte of memory, it may be just as easy to start
course if the Pentium had been around 10 years
sooner, maybe DEC
would have made a better PDP-11.
Oh good lord. That's a troll for flamage if
I've ever read one. A
good one though; I almost cut loose on you for it with about ten pages
about why this is full of doodoo. ;) from scratch. By the way, on the "Full"
commercial E11, the
command is: "MOUNT HD0: RAM:/SIZE:bytes"
and HD0: can be replaced by any of the emulated drives as well.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
1:14 p.m.
Jerome Fine skrev:
from scratch. By the way, on the "Full"
commercial E11, the
command is: "MOUNT HD0: RAM:/SIZE:bytes"
AAAAH! I've found my unknown heritage at last!
That syntax is almost exactly AmigaDOS! How can this be? My Amiga has got both
a RAM: and a HD0:, as well as a "Mount" command.
What kind of system is E11?
BTW, has anyone got any experience with "Tripos"? It is supposed to have
served as inspiration for the hastily programmed BCPL AmigaDOS which replaced
the originally intended, but infinitely delayed, UNIX-like DOS.
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2:23 p.m.
Jerome Fine skrev:
It does rather look like AmigaDOS syntax. I wonder if it has
any raltionship to Tripos?
BTW, I found an interesting thing buried in the development
sample programs on the NeXTstep 3.3 Developer's CD, and it actually
reminds me of the Amiga's famous Boing ball logo. It's a little app.
called 'Backspace' and it includes the now-standard moving starfield
as well as a bouncing red/white checkered ball (sound familiar? <G>).
Both of them can be run in a window or set as the background, or even
used as a screensaver. What makes them interesting as the
desktop/workbench/workspace background is that even as the background
they are still animated! It makes for an interesting display having
the backdrop behind the windows and menus animated. I had never
noticed this little program before. It's shown as having been
written by Samuel Streeper, (c) 1991, 1992, NeXT Computer Inc.
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from scratch. By the way, on the "Full"
commercial E11, the
command is: "MOUNT HD0: RAM:/SIZE:bytes"
AAAAH! I've found my unknown heritage at last!
That syntax is almost exactly AmigaDOS! How can this be? My Amiga has got both
a RAM: and a HD0:, as well as a "Mount" command. 
2:52 p.m.
from scratch. By the way, on the "Full"
commercial E11, the
command is: "MOUNT HD0: RAM:/SIZE:bytes"
AAAAH! I've found my unknown heritage at last!
That syntax is almost exactly AmigaDOS! How can this be? My Amiga has got
both
a RAM: and a HD0:, as well as a "Mount" command.
3:18 p.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
I'm drawing a blank here on Tripos, but I've
noticed some simularities to
OpenVMS in the Amiga OS. IIRC, AmigaOS development was done on something
like a VAX-11/780. Anyway the above syntax kind of looks like something
you'd find in a DEC OS to me.
The main source on which I've seen it mentioned that AmigaDOS
was a port of Tripos was on Gareth Knight's 'Amiga Interactive
Guide'. It was supposedly ported by a company called MetaComCo in
late 1984 when the original 'Intuition' was way behind schedule.
That's the first time I've heard that AmigaOS developement was done
on a VAX though. For those not familiar with Gareth's web page, it's
been around for quite a while and has quite a lot of good information
on all things Amiga.
http://amiga.emugaming.com/aig.html
Jeff
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11:14 p.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Jeff Hellige wrote:
The original Amiga team developed on some kind of Sun system. If you use
DiskSalv on the Workbench disks you can even recover a Sun-Amiga transfer
program. I'm afraid I can't be specific on the exact spec of the Sun system,
even the Amiga team don't know what they used....
As for TripOS, it was developed at Cambridge University (IIRC). It is
possible that they used a Vax at the Uni. or MetaComCo but I don't have
information to support or disprove this.
Dr. Tim King of MetaComCo had already ported the OS to the Motorola 68k
before Commodore contacted them. It was a minor task of getting it to work
on the Amiga, but required a few months to get it to work with Intuition. I
haven't updated the page in a while, but there is relevant information on
the following pages:
http://amiga.emugaming.com/caos.html
http://amiga.emugaming.com/commphoto.html
As a side note, there was a web site by one of the original TripOS
developers that had source code and binaries for an x86 and Atari ST port.
The link I have is dead, but it may be worth a look.
--
Gareth Knight
Amiga Interactive Guide http://amiga.emugaming.com
Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete Amiga prototype/official/clone
list, and more!
I'm drawing
a blank here on Tripos, but I've noticed some simularities to
OpenVMS in the Amiga OS. IIRC, AmigaOS development was done on something
like a VAX-11/780. Anyway the above syntax kind of looks like something
you'd find in a DEC OS to me.
The main source on which I've seen it mentioned that AmigaDOS
was a port of Tripos was on Gareth Knight's 'Amiga Interactive
Guide'. It was supposedly ported by a company called MetaComCo in
late 1984 when the original 'Intuition' was way behind schedule.
11:47 p.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
I wrote:
Typical. I send the email and find the page that I was looking for. The Dave
Haynie archive has a good article on TripOS and it relation to AmigaOS.
http://www.thule.no/haynie/caos.html
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list, and more!
4 Feb
4 Feb
12:08 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
At 01:47 PM 2/4/01 +0000, Gareth Knight wrote:
Typical. I send the email and find the page that I was
looking for. The Dave
Haynie archive has a good article on TripOS and it relation to AmigaOS.
http://www.thule.no/haynie/caos.html
Actually, that's Andy Finkel talking about the spec for the
original CAOS, not the OS that was actally implemented and shipped. :-)
(Insert joke about heaven, hell, and punch line "That was the demo."
- John
12:29 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
At 01:14 PM 2/4/01 +0000, Gareth Knight wrote:
The original Amiga team developed on some kind of Sun
system. If you use
DiskSalv on the Workbench disks you can even recover a Sun-Amiga transfer
program.
I don't particularly remember tools for Sun, but it's possible.
What I do remember is that they told early developers about a
Sage, 68000-based co-development system. I may even have disks
with those tools on them. There was also a Lattice PC-based
cross-compiler. I think I have that, too. I remember using
it, or trying to use it. A dual-floppy Compaq luggable was
a step above the gronk-gronk Amiga floppies for development
in some ways. I was an early Amiga developer. I think
my A1000 is serial number 35 or so. Once upon a time in a
serial number contest on Compuserve, I think only Charlie Heath
beat mine.
As for TripOS, it was developed at Cambridge University
(IIRC). It is
possible that they used a Vax at the Uni. or MetaComCo but I don't have
information to support or disprove this.
Dr. Tim King of MetaComCo had already ported the OS to the Motorola 68k
Tripos was written in BCPL, a language created by Martin Richards,
often quoted as a progenitor of C:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/mr/
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/mr/Tripos.html
http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?BCPL
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/bcpl.html
Metacomco had a 68000 version of Tripos and a BCPL compiler,
and when Amiga was in a bind, they used their OS core.
I don't get too excited about foolish consistencies like
the "MOUNT" command. Anyone working with operating systems
in the 70s modeled parts on what they'd seen before, and
that certainly involved DEC computers and OSes. I think
HD0: is a co-evolutionary natural name, if you're using
colons to demark volume names and you own a Hard Disk.
- John
12:59 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
I don't particularly remember tools for Sun, but
it's possible.
What I do remember is that they told early developers about a
Sage, 68000-based co-development system. I may even have disks
with those tools on them. There was also a Lattice PC-based
Thanks for the insights into the early software development.
I've seen plenty of interviews and such where the later development
was talked about, but rarely anything from prior to the release of
the A1000. My personal A1000, along with my Atari MegaST-2 and
Osborne Executive, came to me after being retired from NRL (Navy
Research Lab) in Washington D.C, as did my previous NeXT.
that certainly involved DEC computers and OSes. I
think
HD0: is a co-evolutionary natural name, if you're using
colons to demark volume names and you own a Hard Disk.
I've always thought the AmigaDOS drive designators were one
of the more logical and easy to understand out there. I mean come
on, DF0: = drive, floppy, number 0! Certainly easier to figure out
exactly what it is you're looking at than the CP/M & MS-DOS
convention of starting with A: and working your way up the alphabet.
Then you didn't even have to stick with DF0: or HD0:, you could refer
to it interchangably using it's volume label as well.
Jeff
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3:06 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Jeff Hellige wrote:
Then you didn't even have to stick with DF0: or
HD0:, you could refer
to it interchangably using it's volume label as well.
That is good and bad. I've known people who would called their partition
Games: instead of DH2:. It confuses some software when you don't stick to
the logical 3 letter device name.
--
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Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete Amiga prototype/official/clone
list, and more!
3:33 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Jeff Hellige wrote:
I generally named my partitions after the manufacturer of the
drive and never had any problems using either the 3 letter device
name or the volume label interchangably. I did this because I
generally had at least one external SCSI drive hanging off my A3000
and A4000, an IBM 0661 2gig drive. I've had this thing for about 7
years now, connected to anything you could think of that might have a
SCSI interface and it's still going strong. Both my A3000/4000 were
running under OS 3.1. I had pre-order OS 3.5 prior to deciding to
sell my A4000.
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Then you didn't even have to stick with DF0:
or HD0:, you could refer
to it interchangably using it's volume label as well.
That is good and bad. I've known people who would called their partition
Games: instead of DH2:. It confuses some software when you don't stick to
the logical 3 letter device name. 
5:24 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
I generally named my partitions after the
manufacturer of the
drive and never had any problems using either the 3 letter device
name or the volume label interchangably. I did this because I
generally had at least one external SCSI drive hanging off my A3000
and A4000, an IBM 0661 2gig drive. I've had this thing for about 7
years now, connected to anything you could think of that might have a
SCSI interface and it's still going strong. Both my A3000/4000 were
running under OS 3.1. I had pre-order OS 3.5 prior to deciding to
sell my A4000.
Jeff
A friend of mine worked on the port of AT&T SVR4 to the Amiga.
It sold (I think) at the University of Virginia as the official student
workstation of the Engineering School.
I've never used an Amiga, but I'd love to get my hands on one of those
Amigas with Unix on it.
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7:13 a.m.
New subject: John Mauchley
Does anybody have knowledge about John Mauchley (of Eckert & Mauchley). I
have an e-mail acquaintance who is claiming that he grew up with the son of
one of the inventors of Eniac and their real name was MacCauley that was
changes to Mauchley. None of the biographies of Mauchley say anything about
the name MacCauley.
My ex-wife taught Mauchley's daughter back around 1963 in catholic school
in Ambler PA.
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Bill Pechter skrev:
A friend of mine worked on the port of AT&T SVR4 to
the Amiga.
It sold (I think) at the University of Virginia as the official student
workstation of the Engineering School.
I've never used an Amiga, but I'd love to get
my hands on one of those
Amigas with Unix on it.
I'd love to get my hands on AMIX, Amiga SVR4, but it was only distributed on
tape, AFAIK, and the only time I've seen it was on eBay at a rather
exaggerated price, IIRC.
I do have some more modern X servers and such for AMIX on a NetBSD
distribution.
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12:39 p.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
--- Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
Bill Pechter skrev:
While I haven't had an AMIX tape in my hands, ISTR it was on a 150Mb tape,
like the ones that plagued Suns until the rise of DAT and 8mm.
I don't recall if the X server for it required the Lowell graphics card
or merely worked to a reasonable potential with it (TI 34010 chipset, I
believe... dredging up very rarely refreshed bits here).
-ethan
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A friend of mine worked on the port of AT&T
SVR4 to the Amiga.
I'd love to get my hands on AMIX, Amiga SVR4, but it was only distributed on
tape, AFAIK, and the only time I've seen it was on eBay at a rather
exaggerated price, IIRC. 
5 Feb
5 Feb
2:36 a.m.
New subject: Amiga Unix (was: Amiga development)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
While I haven't had an AMIX tape in my hands, ISTR
it was on a 150Mb
tape,
like the ones that plagued Suns until the rise of DAT
and 8mm.
I don't recall if the X server for it required the Lowell graphics card
or merely worked to a reasonable potential with it (TI 34010 chipset, I
believe... dredging up very rarely refreshed bits here).
IIRC, AMIX will run without the Lowell graphics card, but only in black and
white. For a colour X-display, you need the Lowell card, which is about as
hard to find as the AMIX tapes and tape drive. I was interested in
acquiring Amix a while back, and posted a "WTB" to comp.sys.amiga.unix; I
got several replies, so there are copies out there.
Cheers,
Mark.
9:21 a.m.
New subject: Amiga Unix (was: Amiga development)
Mark Gregory skrev:
IIRC, AMIX will run without the Lowell graphics card,
but only in black and
white. For a colour X-display, you need the Lowell card, which is about as
hard to find as the AMIX tapes and tape drive. I was interested in
acquiring Amix a while back, and posted a "WTB" to comp.sys.amiga.unix; I
got several replies, so there are copies out there.
Would the Lowell card be The Artist Formerly Known As A2410?
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11:48 p.m.
New subject: Amiga Unix (was: Amiga development)
At 12:21 AM 2/6/01 +0100, you wrote:
Would the Lowell card be The Artist Formerly Known As
A2410?
I searched for Richard A. Miner, the guy at U-Lowell who
worked on that card. He's now a PhD, Vice President of
OrangeImagineering, part of Orange Plc. No e-mail found,
though. Neither the card nor Rich look anything like
that singer from Minnesota.
Many sections of my brain containing Amiga memories are
covered in dust and dirt. I remember one mono-ish graphics
card that required a special (interlacing?) monitor, and
then the Lowell card, but I don't remember if they were the same.
- John
6 Feb
6 Feb
12:34 a.m.
New subject: Amiga Unix (was: Amiga development)
The former was the A2024, which combined a series of fields into a 4
quadrant display for high resolution stuff... the latter was a TMS-based
gfx. accell. card that was pretty interesting back then (IMHO)-
certainly for a "home computer".
Hi John,
Ryan
John Foust wrote:
At 12:21 AM 2/6/01 +0100, you wrote:
Would the Lowell card be The Artist Formerly Known
As A2410?
I searched for Richard A. Miner, the guy at U-Lowell who
worked on that card. He's now a PhD, Vice President of
OrangeImagineering, part of Orange Plc. No e-mail found,
though. Neither the card nor Rich look anything like
that singer from Minnesota.
Many sections of my brain containing Amiga memories are
covered in dust and dirt. I remember one mono-ish graphics
card that required a special (interlacing?) monitor, and
then the Lowell card, but I don't remember if they were the same.
- John
4:55 a.m.
New subject: A2024/Viking Moniterm (was Re: Amiga Unix (was: Amiga development))
--- "Ryan K. Brooks" <ryan(a)hack.net> wrote:
The former was the A2024, which combined a series of
fields into a 4
quadrant display for high resolution stuff...
John Foust wrote:
> I remember one mono-ish graphics card that required a special
>(interlacing?) monitor...
You are both right: the Viking Moniterm was a Sun-style 19" mono monitor
and a card for the video slot, and the A2024 was a monitor with a 23-pin
Amiga video connection and all the necessary goodies inside. I had an
A2024 once, I still have the Moniterm.
Both use the same driver and the same techique - squeeze out four fields
from the Amiga chipset and externally buffer them into
one frame that is
put up as a 1008x1008 2-bit greyscale image. As long as you
didn't try
to scroll text across the quarters of the screen, it worked nicely, even
for Macintosh emulation. There was a bit of judder if you tried to use
a text window across that split. The bits didn't flicker, but the left
and right sides would refresh at a visible difference.
The A2024 will work with any Amiga. The Moniterm will work with any
Amiga that has a video slot (although I never tried it with my A1000
and Rejuvinator ;-)
Great stuff if all you wanted was lots of desktop realestate. I used mine
while developing text apps - lots of room to edit, compile and test. I
even created a flyspeck font (1x2) to run my makes in a 1000-pixel-tall
window on the edge of the screen. I could tell from the overall shape
of the compiler output if it were done or not and if it was a clean
compile or not. If there were errors, I could restore the font to
something legible; otherwise, I could run the program from a "normal"
window.
-ethan
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5 Feb
5 Feb
8:43 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Ethan Dicks skrev:
--- Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
> Bill Pechter skrev:
>
> >A friend of mine worked on the port of AT&T SVR4 to the Amiga.
>
> I'd love to get my hands on AMIX, Amiga SVR4, but it was only distributed
> on tape, AFAIK, and the only time I've seen it was on eBay at a rather
> exaggerated price, IIRC.
While I haven't had an AMIX tape in my hands, ISTR
it was on a 150Mb tape,
like the ones that plagued Suns until the rise of DAT and 8mm.
I don't recall if the X server for it required the
Lowell graphics card
or merely worked to a reasonable potential with it (TI 34010 chipset, I
believe... dredging up very rarely refreshed bits here).
While I doubt that anyone is running AMIX, I found a slew of AMIX files in the
contrib dir on the Gateway vol 2 CD here.
Here's the README:
These archives are a donation from Klaus Burckert.
Klaus currently works at Village Tronic, at was, is and will be
responsible for the hardware design of the graphic boards
"Domino", "Picasso II", "Mac Picasso" and "Picasso
IV". Also he
worked a lot on the Ethernet-Board "Ariadne".
Since long his hobby was AMIX. Having an A2000 with a GVP
Series II SCSI adaptor, he wrote support for this adaptor for AMIX.
Also, he wrote about a dozen of very sophisticated X Servers for
several graphic boards.
Having intented to release this stuff for years, he finally found
a place to distribute it on the Gateway! Vol. 2.
You can reach Klaus via email: crest(a)arkon.dontpanic.sub.org
Thanks Klaus!
The directory contains GVP stuff, an Ariadne driver, X11R4 and R5, and a
"SVGA" driver, which supports the following cards:
- Domino 32K
- Domino 16M
- oMniBus
- Merlin (in ZorroII mode)
- Picasso II (only in linear mode)
- Piccolo (in ZorroII mode)
- Spectrum (in ZorroII mode)
If you want them, tell me and I'll upload them somewhere.
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4 Feb
4 Feb
7:47 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
Gareth Knight skrev:
Jeff Hellige wrote:
> Then you didn't even have to stick with DF0: or HD0:, you could refer
> to it interchangably using it's volume label as well.
That is good and bad. I've known people who would
called their partition
Games: instead of DH2:. It confuses some software when you don't stick to
the logical 3 letter device name.
Must be some bloody ill-programmed, medieval software. After all, even
Commodore changed the default drive names, from DH0: to HD0:. Since disks are
addressed through their label and not their drive name, that should be
entirely transparent to everyone involved.
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1:10 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
John Foust wrote:
I don't particularly remember tools for Sun, but
it's possible.
IIRC, the Amiga team celebrated the fact that Commodore paid for a Sun
system each.
--
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Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete Amiga prototype/official/clone
list, and more!
2:44 p.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
From what I remember of my talks with RJ Mical about
this, you
are correct. They were suddenly kids in the Sun candy store and
Uncle Jack opened up the wallet....
John Foust wrote:
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"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of
bricks tied to its head."
I don't particularly remember tools for Sun,
but it's possible.
IIRC, the Amiga team celebrated the fact that Commodore paid for a Sun
system each. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide
http://amiga.emugaming.com Home of the Amiga magazine guide, Complete
Amiga prototype/official/clone list, and more!
4:49 a.m.
New subject: Amiga development (was: uVAX II Memory Board)
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7:40 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
>>>from scratch. By the way, on the
"Full" commercial E11, the
>>>command is: "MOUNT HD0: RAM:/SIZE:bytes"
>>
>>AAAAH! I've found my unknown heritage at last!
>>That syntax is almost exactly AmigaDOS! How can this be? My Amiga has got
>>both
>>a RAM: and a HD0:, as well as a "Mount" command.
>
> It does rather look like AmigaDOS syntax. I wonder if it has
>any raltionship to Tripos?
I'm drawing a blank here on Tripos, but I've
noticed some simularities to
OpenVMS in the Amiga OS. IIRC, AmigaOS development was done on something
like a VAX-11/780. Anyway the above syntax kind of looks like something
you'd find in a DEC OS to me.
I read an article a while ago about (I think) TOPS-20, and indeed a lot of
commands seemed familiar. I seem to recall commands such as DIR and DELETE,
and what else..? Aren't arguments human-language, too, as opposed to the
hostile UNIX -LfrDb style arguments?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
When does a system administrator do the first backup?
The first day on the job after the system administrator who never did.
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