2 Dec
2009
2 Dec
'09
12:29 p.m.
Hi,
As some of you may be aware, I managed to hose the OS on my 16500B
while trying to upgrade to the latest software. I've now got the
analyser booting again, and it seems to be working more or less OK.
Unfortunately (for me) it seems my backup (done with Filezilla, i.e.
FTP) is totally duff -- apparently I had FZ set to "transfer files with
no extension as ASCII", which has naturally hosed just about all the
System, Driver and Extension files. Which means I've lost the E2450
Symbol Utility software. Bit of a pain when you want to use the analyser
to debug microprocessor code.
Seeing as there are a few folk here with 16500B analysers, I was
wondering if I could ask a small favour... I need a copy of the Symbol
Utility install floppy, HP part number E2450-17504, aka "Symbol Utility
for HP16500B/C/CS". It should be either a normal 1.44MB DOS format
floppy, or a HP LIF floppy (more likely DOS than LIF).
If there's anyone on here with a copy of this disk (possibly stashed
away in the manuals folder for their 16500B analyser), could I possibly
ask for an image of it? Almost anything is fine; I'd prefer something
reasonably standard though -- WinImage .IMA, ImageDisk, or even a raw
"dd if=/dev/fd0 of=imagefile" (rawrite) dump.
For what it's worth, I had V3.02 installed, but I suspect I might need
something a little more recent now the analyser is running the V3.14
operating system.
Thanks,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
2 Dec
2 Dec
1:35 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Seeing as there are a few folk here with 16500B
analysers, I was
wondering if I could ask a small favour... I need a copy of the Symbol
Utility install floppy, HP part number E2450-17504, aka "Symbol Utility
for HP16500B/C/CS". It should be either a normal 1.44MB DOS format
floppy, or a HP LIF floppy (more likely DOS than LIF).
Hi guys,
I've managed to reconstruct an "install" floppy from the files on
someone else's HP analyser. Briefly...
- Format a 1.44MB floppy disk on the "source" analyser
- Copy \SYSTEM\OPT_032 from the hard drive to the floppy
- Also copy \SYSTEM\MESSAGES and \SYSTEM\OBJECTS to the floppy, as
\MESSAGES and \OBJECTS respectively. These are directories; you need to
preserve the directory structure and copy all the files/subdirectories.
- Insert the disk into the "destination" analyser, and flip the power
switch to "ON".
- Wait for the FDD light to go out, then select System -> Symbol
Utility. If you've got Symbol Utility 3.02 you'll be asked if you want
to install the software; version 3.05 doesn't ask, but has an "Install
Symbol Utility" option instead. Basically, click the button if
necessary, then confirm that yes, you really do want to install the
Symbol Utility.
I'd still rather like a copy of the original HP install floppy... this
approach is quite hackish in my opinion.
Thanks,
--
Phil.
philpem at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
3:17 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Philip Pemberton <philpem at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
I'd still rather like a copy of the original HP install floppy... this
approach is quite hackish in my opinion.
The E2450A files used to available on the HP/Agilent website. It was
either a .zip of the files, or just all of the plain files. Your
"hack" solution was basically what the real install method was. Tree
copy all of the files to a floppy, boot the system with the floppy
inserted, and then the system software would automatically (or maybe
prompt first, I forget) tree copy all of the E2450A files to the
system directory on the hard drive.
This is the set of the E2450A files that were available at the time I
grabbed them from the HP/Agilent website:
opt5_032 - HP16500C Symbol Reader V01.02
optc_032 - 166XC/167XA Symbol Reader V02.00
opt_032 - HP16500B Symbol Reader V03.06
messages\default\alloc.ini
messages\default\design.ini
messages\default\errmsg.ini
messages\default\explain.ini
messages\default\fatal.ini
messages\default\fmgr.ini
messages\default\ns.ini
messages\default\nsr.ini
messages\default\nssrch.ini
messages\default\omfchck.ini
messages\default\omgr.ini
messages\default\readers.ini
messages\default\try.ini
messages\default\readers\gpa.ini
messages\default\readers\omni.ini
objects\addr.mod
objects\bintree.mod
objects\clue.mod
objects\instlpk.mod
objects\msgcat.mod
objects\ns.mod
objects\nsaddr.mod
objects\nsr.mod
objects\nssrch.mod
objects\omfchck.mod
objects\pk.mod
objects\readers.mod
objects\strtok.mod
objects\symlop.mod
objects\addr\lin32.mod
objects\omfchck\aout.mod
objects\omfchck\elf.mod
objects\omfchck\gpa.mod
objects\omfchck\ieee695.mod
objects\omfchck\omf386.mod
objects\omfchck\omf86.mod
objects\omfchck\omf96.mod
objects\omfchck\ticoff.mod
objects\readers\aout.mod
objects\readers\elf.mod
objects\readers\gpa.mod
objects\readers\ieee695.mod
objects\readers\omf386.mod
objects\readers\omf86.mod
objects\readers\omf96.mod
objects\readers\omni.mod
objects\readers\ticoff.mod
3:47 p.m.
Glen Slick wrote:
The E2450A files used to available on the HP/Agilent
website. It was
either a .zip of the files, or just all of the plain files. Your
"hack" solution was basically what the real install method was. Tree
copy all of the files to a floppy, boot the system with the floppy
inserted, and then the system software would automatically (or maybe
prompt first, I forget) tree copy all of the E2450A files to the
system directory on the hard drive.
Is there any chance you could put these files (or the ZIP) online
somewhere (or even just email them to me -- I'm sure I can find some FTP
space for them)?
I've got versions 3.02 and 3.05 (the analyser is running 3.05), and it'd
be nice to get my 16500B analyser running the latest software.
Incidentally, I'd rather like to get a copy of the contents of the
"/pub/callpub3/ddt" (I think I've got that right) directory from
Agilent's FTP server at around the time of the spinoff. As I recall,
there were tons of files in there for the various analysers -- there was
certainly the Inverse Assembler Toolkit (which I have), and System files
for the various analysers.
Now that directory just contains stuff for the "latest and greatest"
machines... :(
Thanks,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
3 Dec
3 Dec
2:21 a.m.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Glen Slick
Verzonden: donderdag 3 december 2009 0:18
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Onderwerp: Re: Wanted - copy of HP E2450-17504 Symbol Utility
(for HP 16500B)
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Philip Pemberton
<philpem at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
It's on the site but a bit hided ..
ftp.agilent.com/pub/callpub3/ddt/portbls/166xC_CS/SYMBOLS
This should be the correct symbol library..
-Rik
I'd still rather like a copy of the original HP install
floppy... this
approach is quite hackish in my opinion.
The E2450A files used to available on the HP/Agilent website.
It was either a .zip of the files, or just all of the plain
files. Your "hack" solution was basically what the real
install method was. Tree copy all of the files to a floppy,
boot the system with the floppy inserted, and then the system
software would automatically (or maybe prompt first, I
forget) tree copy all of the E2450A files to the system
directory on the hard drive.
This is the set of the E2450A files that were available at
the time I grabbed them from the HP/Agilent website:
opt5_032 - HP16500C Symbol Reader V01.02
optc_032 - 166XC/167XA Symbol Reader V02.00
opt_032 - HP16500B Symbol Reader V03.06
messages\default\alloc.ini
messages\default\design.ini
messages\default\errmsg.ini
messages\default\explain.ini
messages\default\fatal.ini
messages\default\fmgr.ini
messages\default\ns.ini
messages\default\nsr.ini
messages\default\nssrch.ini
messages\default\omfchck.ini
messages\default\omgr.ini
messages\default\readers.ini
messages\default\try.ini
messages\default\readers\gpa.ini
messages\default\readers\omni.ini
objects\addr.mod
objects\bintree.mod
objects\clue.mod
objects\instlpk.mod
objects\msgcat.mod
objects\ns.mod
objects\nsaddr.mod
objects\nsr.mod
objects\nssrch.mod
objects\omfchck.mod
objects\pk.mod
objects\readers.mod
objects\strtok.mod
objects\symlop.mod
objects\addr\lin32.mod
objects\omfchck\aout.mod
objects\omfchck\elf.mod
objects\omfchck\gpa.mod
objects\omfchck\ieee695.mod
objects\omfchck\omf386.mod
objects\omfchck\omf86.mod
objects\omfchck\omf96.mod
objects\omfchck\ticoff.mod
objects\readers\aout.mod
objects\readers\elf.mod
objects\readers\gpa.mod
objects\readers\ieee695.mod
objects\readers\omf386.mod
objects\readers\omf86.mod
objects\readers\omf96.mod
objects\readers\omni.mod
objects\readers\ticoff.mod
2:36 a.m.
Rik Bos wrote:
It's on the site but a bit hided ..
ftp.agilent.com/pub/callpub3/ddt/portbls/166xC_CS/SYMBOLS
This should be the correct symbol library..
That's for the 166xC and CS series -- note the "OPTC_032" file in place
of "OPT_032"...
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
2:48 a.m.
If you read the readme.txt you'll see it's also for the 16500B
-Rik
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Philip Pemberton
Verzonden: donderdag 3 december 2009 11:36
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: Wanted - copy of HP E2450-17504 Symbol Utility
(for HP 16500B)
Rik Bos wrote:
It's on the site but a bit hided ..
ftp.agilent.com/pub/callpub3/ddt/portbls/166xC_CS/SYMBOLS
This should be the correct symbol library..
That's for the 166xC and CS series -- note the "OPTC_032"
file in place of "OPT_032"...
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
3:34 a.m.
Rik Bos wrote:
If you read the readme.txt you'll see it's
also for the 16500B
I'd argue that the README is probably incorrect, or the files are
incomplete -- the E2450A manual (on www.agilent.com -- search for E2450A
then select "Manuals and User Guides") lists the files required for each
analyser.
I haven't tried it, but I'm willing to bet an E2450B disc without
OPT_032 won't boot on a 16500B.
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
4:13 a.m.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Philip Pemberton
Verzonden: donderdag 3 december 2009 12:35
Aan: General at wolf.philpem.me.uk;
Discussion at wolf.philpem.me.uk :On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: Wanted - copy of HP E2450-17504 Symbol Utility
(for HP 16500B)
Rik Bos wrote:
Don't know, the file list could be incomplete...
The only way to check it is by trying to install the files..
Or may be renaming the file (risky I know) may do the trick.
On the other hand, you could be lucky when you contact Agilent and they send
you the file.
Agilent support in the Netherlands was always very helpfull, but that
doesn't say anything ofcause about the support in the UK.
-Rik
If you read the readme.txt you'll see
it's also for the 16500B
I'd argue that the README is probably incorrect, or the files
are incomplete -- the E2450A manual (on www.agilent.com --
search for E2450A then select "Manuals and User Guides")
lists the files required for each analyser.
I haven't tried it, but I'm willing to bet an E2450B disc without
OPT_032 won't boot on a 16500B.
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/ 
2 Dec
2 Dec
3:30 p.m.
Hello,
I would be interested in a copy as well please...
Kind regards,
Maurice
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Philip Pemberton <philpem at philpem.me.uk>wrote:
Philip Pemberton wrote:
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Seeing as there are a few folk here with 16500B
analysers, I was wondering
if I could ask a small favour... I need a copy of the Symbol Utility install
floppy, HP part number E2450-17504, aka "Symbol Utility for HP16500B/C/CS".
It should be either a normal 1.44MB DOS format floppy, or a HP LIF floppy
(more likely DOS than LIF).
Hi guys,
I've managed to reconstruct an "install" floppy from the files on someone
else's HP analyser. Briefly...
- Format a 1.44MB floppy disk on the "source" analyser
- Copy \SYSTEM\OPT_032 from the hard drive to the floppy
- Also copy \SYSTEM\MESSAGES and \SYSTEM\OBJECTS to the floppy, as
\MESSAGES and \OBJECTS respectively. These are directories; you need to
preserve the directory structure and copy all the files/subdirectories.
- Insert the disk into the "destination" analyser, and flip the power
switch to "ON".
- Wait for the FDD light to go out, then select System -> Symbol Utility.
If you've got Symbol Utility 3.02 you'll be asked if you want to install the
software; version 3.05 doesn't ask, but has an "Install Symbol Utility"
option instead. Basically, click the button if necessary, then confirm that
yes, you really do want to install the Symbol Utility.
I'd still rather like a copy of the original HP install floppy... this
approach is quite hackish in my opinion.
Thanks,
--
Phil.
philpem at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
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