I think it has become clear... the reason why Richard can't grasp why something might be better than Windows is simply because he doesn't grasp that maybe, there are better ways of doing things. He seems content with successfully doing a task, and cares not about making that task easier, faster, or more "pleasant". For instance, I can flip a burger on a hot grill with my fingers. What does it matter if I use a spatula, I got the job done didn't I? My needs were met weren't they? And I even saved money up front since I didn't have to buy anything to flip the burgers. However TCO of this method will rapidly become apparent when I start burning myself. My "user experience" will decrease since I will have sore fingers. I will also start racking up bills on aloe cream to soothe the burns. But my needs were met, and I did it with a cheaper setup than my neighbor who bought the grill tools set, so why should I admit that there may be a better way... it doesn't matter, I can flip burgers just fine already. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>